Well, let's see now, Catholicism had been an oppressor in Europe for a long long time. Catholics coming to this country were not going to be allowed to lord themselves over the people in the new world the way they had in the old.
LOL. How you do this day in and day out is a mystery to me. Where to even begin? We could mention that the history of Europe after the Reformation is one of states loyal to either "side" doing their best to stamp out heresy. That you see the history of Europe as one of only bloody hand on the Catholic side is typical.
We could also mention the folks coming here for "Religious freedom" were fleeing the Protestant Anglicans. But you can wave your hand and call the Anglicans essentially "Catholic" and wash your hands of the deal.
And when it comes to exclusion, the Catholic Church has excluded itself. It was the Catholic Church that couldn't abide core christian teachings in the schools so Catholicism excluded itself from the school system and teaches their own form of history, and its religion. So let's us just get it strait and paint the backdrop that existed.
Can we decide what it is we are after here? Are you on about religious freedom in one breath, and in the next chastising the Catholics for not liking having Protestantism taught to their children in "Public" schools?
No religion was going to be given preferrence in this country in the early days no matter what anyone believed in particular because this country was trying to escape authoritarianism under the guise of the combination of Church and state epitomized in England.
Congratulations, you are ignorant about early American history, as well as European. Many of the colonies had established religions, all Protestant except for Maryland. The Federal gov't, for sure, was prohibited from playing favorites, but the states were not.
It had first been the King/Queen and Catholic oppression; but, when the Catholics meddled too far, it became the Monarch plus Church of England. And Church of England was (is) baaaad news too! Were catholics excluded? Yes, by catholics. Were Catholics oppressed? Nope; but, they were kept from pulling the same crap in America they'd done in Europe up to a point. Ya'll just got your nose bent out of shape because on US soil you got the same treatment everyone else got - you're just another religion.
Here's where you wash your hands and say the C of E is "Catholic" and baaaaaad news. Were the Catholics oppressed? "Nope" you say. I guess all of those "Irish need not apply" signs and the anti-Catholicism of the KKK are don't count? Al Smith? "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"? Any of this ring a bell?
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BTW: Protestants don't seem to realize that the KKK was much more avidly anti-Catholic than they were anti-black,because the Church was powerful enough to fight back. You may recall the "Battle of South Bend," where the KKK ran into students from Notre Dame and got run out of town. And that was when the Klan was really powerful in Indiana. (And that was before Notre Dame became politically correct.)
First of all, I didn't wave my hands in the air and call Anglicans essentially anything. Nor do I wash my hands of it. Have you made a point, yes. Is it germane to the issue, not really. Catholicism had been an oppressor in Europe for Centuries on end. By the time of the move to America that was still the case and would be the case for some time to come. So, we're not talkin about ancient freakin history from the point of view of the colonists. Columbus Landed in 1492. The Decretals weren't even fully exposed until the following Century. And it wasn't till 400 years later that the RCC was chased off Italian lands. So, let's keep some honest perspective, shall we.
Can we decide what it is we are after here? Are you on about religious freedom in one breath, and in the next chastising the Catholics for not liking having Protestantism taught to their children in "Public" schools?
Hey, it's fact - whatever the explanation you choose to slap on it. The Catholic Church segregated itself. Seems that parents of different sects than yours managed to do just fine. Nobody excluded the RCC but the RCC. And in this country today, the same standards are in use - if you want special treatment, go do your own thing. The state is about educating kids; not treating any particular group special or different. They taught the dirt basics then, and today they rarely do that; but, that's beside the point. Ya'll cried foul for being treated the same as everyone else.
Congratulations, you are ignorant about early American history, as well as European. Many of the colonies had established religions, all Protestant except for Maryland. The Federal gov't, for sure, was prohibited from playing favorites, but the states were not.
Oh, I thought I was talking about Federal. Thank you for digging into my mind and correcting me on that point (/sarcasm). The fed steered the constitution away from the concept of a state religion. And states at the time were growing from settlements of like minded people. Different beleifs segregated themselves in different areas so that they would be with like minded individuals. The Catholics here, like everyone else had to fend for themselves. Catholics, however, seemed more interested in crying foul. Seems they weren't Comfortable not being in charge and telling people how it was going to be...
Here's where you wash your hands and say the C of E is "Catholic" and baaaaaad news. Were the Catholics oppressed? "Nope" you say. I guess all of those "Irish need not apply" signs and the anti-Catholicism of the KKK are don't count? Al Smith? "Rum, Romanism, and Rebellion"? Any of this ring a bell?
No here is where I said C of E was just as Bad as the RCC. Again, you put words in my mouth. Ya'll are pretty good at that too... Anything but face facts. The RCC was used to being the bully on the block, and it threw a fit when C of E was formed. I would sumbmit that It threw as big a fit when it wasn't given preferential treatment in america. But then ya'll want us to view it as the church being picked on. I wouldn't say picked on - maybe people in the time got even a bit in their own eyes (lol); but, picked on - nope.