[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Try putting yourself, at least in thought, amidst the tumult of real religious controversy,as in the 4th and fifth centuries which goes beyond mere scholastic squabbling, and results in the establishment of dogmas and the doctrines that flow logically from those dogmas. Thus, no Theotokos; no Christianity.

And we all wonder why catholics have so much trouble with the simple Word of God. :)

BigMack

[RobbyS]

And we all wonder why catholics have so much trouble with the simple Word of God. :) And we see why Protestants amd others steeped in the Reformers theories cannot see that the search for a "primitive" Christianity "uncorrupted" by history is doomed to failure because such a Christianity is only imperfectly captured in the New Testament. After disposing of a thousdand years or more of Tradition, they were obliged to create a new one based on their own reconstruction of the past. If Catholics saw Peter with a triple crown on his head, leading a band of Apostle-bishops and a ready-made priesthood under their direct rule, Protestants(generally) saw Paul as the only Apostle really worth listening to and the Early Church as like the establishments spontaneously created by 15th Century scholars and Burgers and artisans unrestrained by the bishops and priests. As though Jerusalem in the First Century bore any resemblence to the Geneva!

[SoothingDave]

Try putting yourself, at least in thought, amidst the tumult of real religious controversy,as in the 4th and fifth centuries which goes beyond mere scholastic squabbling, and results in the establishment of dogmas and the doctrines that flow logically from those dogmas. Thus, no Theotokos; no Christianity.

And we all wonder why catholics have so much trouble with the simple Word of God. :)

See what I mean re: post 1162

SD