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To: RobbyS
We simply say that the Holy Tradition and Scripture are a seamless whole and doctrine does not contradict Scripture.

Ah, but we already have word from the Bible that the Pharisees, among others, used tradition to make the scriptures of none effect, as has the Catholic church - to whit, Mary was perpetually a virgin after the birth of Jesus. That 'tradition' was baptized into Doctrine and thus we have both tradition and doctrine in a single belief that is contrary to scripture. As we can plainly see that Jesus had not only 4 brothers; but sisters as well.

Not only does your logic fail you; but, so too does your church. And their apologetics. The very apologetics in logic they have used to prop up all the other 'traditions' and 'doctrines' they claim are inerrant and not contradictory. Don't close your eyes to it. And if it confuses you, pray to God in Jesus name to clear the confusion that you may see it clearly. Nobody here wants to confuse you; so, take the time to consider it and pray about it. The goal is truth. Will you believe what the scripture says?

1,101 posted on 10/18/2001 4:39:09 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
Jerome's reply to Helvidius the the best answer to you, but the simply reply is that the teaching of the Church is the true interpretation of Scripture and that Helvidius' interpretation was wrong, in part because in a century tainted by Ariansm it casts doubt on the Virgin birth, or at least its significance. For if his mother had other children, then the birth narratives can be taken only as meaning that he was a great man or a prophet, but not the son of God, and Mary was in no sense Theotokos.
1,112 posted on 10/18/2001 5:17:07 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: Havoc
but we already have word from the Bible that the Pharisees, among others, used tradition to make the scriptures of none effect

Havoc, in Deuteronomy, God gave men authority to interpret the Law. Jesus himself acknowledged the authority of the Pharisees to interpret the Law.

Please keep in mind too what I have pointed out previously: that the Pharisees were not a monolithic group. The Shammaites were much more 'rigid' and 'legalistic', and likely were the group that drew Jesus's ire. On the other hand, Jesus had a great deal in common with the Hillelites.

1,128 posted on 10/18/2001 9:45:15 PM PDT by malakhi
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