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To: JohnnyM
John 1:1-2 1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was <*2> with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God.

OK. I'm real slow bear with me. First, we know that there is no such thing as "THE WORD". There is no "WORD" running around anywhere, right? "WORDS" don't have being, brains or self esteem. Jesus isn't and never was a "WORD". He knows he wasn't a "WORD" ever.

Second, just exactly what is "GOD"? Is God a name? Is it sufficient to narrow down what we are referring to? There are many gods. Which god is God? How many names has He got? The "I AM", the Creator, Jahweh, Jehovah etc. He is above all the Father of an only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus says He was His Father! He spoke to His Father! We have an eyewitness, Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of His Father!

Thirdly, Isn't it a little strange that a word was with God and the word was God? How is something with something when it already is that something?

10,529 posted on 12/05/2001 1:25:47 PM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
OK. I'm real slow bear with me. First, we know that there is no such thing as "THE WORD". There is no "WORD" running around anywhere, right? "WORDS" don't have being, brains or self esteem. Jesus isn't and never was a "WORD". He knows he wasn't a "WORD" ever. Second, just exactly what is "GOD"? Is God a name? Is it sufficient to narrow down what we are referring to? There are many gods. Which god is God? How many names has He got? The "I AM", the Creator, Jahweh, Jehovah etc. He is above all the Father of an only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus says He was His Father! He spoke to His Father! We have an eyewitness, Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of His Father! Thirdly, Isn't it a little strange that a word was with God and the word was God? How is something with something when it already is that something?

You got too much time on your hands Vmatt.

10,532 posted on 12/05/2001 1:29:53 PM PST by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: vmatt
Thirdly, Isn't it a little strange that a word was with God and the word was God? How is something with something when it already is that something?

Don't try to use logic on this. This sort of thing is why I prefer a straightforward monotheism.

10,546 posted on 12/05/2001 1:54:26 PM PST by malakhi
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To: vmatt
"Thirdly, Isn't it a little strange that a word was with God and the word was God? How is something with something when it already is that something?"

You have just described the mystery of the Trinity.

Clearly the Word was with God and the Word was God and the Word became flesh. So do you deny what John is saying here?? Was he in error??

JM
10,550 posted on 12/05/2001 2:02:05 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: vmatt
Second, just exactly what is "GOD"? Is God a name? Is it sufficient to narrow down what we are referring to? There are many gods. Which god is God? How many names has He got? The "I AM", the Creator, Jahweh, Jehovah etc. He is above all the Father of an only begotten Son, Jesus Christ. Jesus says He was His Father! He spoke to His Father! We have an eyewitness, Stephen saw Jesus standing at the right hand of His Father!

Comprehend this then: Jesus is the only God anyone on earth has ever known.

Joh 1:18 No one has ever seen God. The only Son, who is truly God and is closest to the Father, has shown us what God is like.

Joh 5:37 The Father who sent me also speaks for me, but you have never heard his voice or seen him face to face.

Joh 6:46 The only one who has seen the Father is the one who has come from him. No one else has ever seen the Father.

Well hmmm...if nobody has ever seen the father, then what who the heck was the old testament God that communed with Abraham, Moses, Adam and others?

The answer of course, is Christ, before Christ came in the flesh as Jesus.

Joh 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day; and he saw it, and was glad.
Joh 8:57 The Jews therefore said unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
Joh 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was born, I am.

10,555 posted on 12/05/2001 3:32:23 PM PST by DouglasKC
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