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To: JohnnyM
Jesus himself took his nature, Jesus did this himself. Jesus pre-existed his humanity but he was not his own father! He told us to pray to the Father, not himself and likened himself to our brother, or priest but not father. We are not to worship Jesus (NATE4). Am I the only one that sees the great injustice this doctrine does to so many scriptures? So powerful a doctrine that an adherent would say "Yes, God is mediator to Himself. Yes, He prays to Himself." Things are bad but please someone tell me they're not that bad.

Hebrews 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.

18 For in that he himself hath suffered being tempted, he is able to succour them that are tempted.

10,501 posted on 12/05/2001 12:38:34 PM PST by vmatt
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To: vmatt
lets forget for the moment the praying to Himself and mediator to Himself stuff. The wording of that is confusing and probably false so lets start with John 1 again.

John 1:1-2
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was <*2> with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
I think we can both agree that the Word here is Christ. It also says that He (Christ, the Word) was God and was in the beginning with God. Notice the wording here. He WAS God, yet He was in the beginning WITH God. This is obviously pointing to the fact that there were one in the same, yet different.

John 1:14
"And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us..."

Now we have established that the Word was God and here it says that the Word (God) became flesh. So clearly God became flesh and dwelt among us as Christ.

Now you can post your quote from Hebrews but it doesn't nullify this passage from John. How do you interpret the "Word was God" and the "Word became flesh" statements.

JM
10,512 posted on 12/05/2001 12:50:25 PM PST by JohnnyM
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To: vmatt
He told us to pray to the Father, not himself

I agree with you here. I cannot recall where Jesus ever asked anyone to pray to him.

We are not to worship Jesus

Ditto.

10,542 posted on 12/05/2001 1:45:00 PM PST by malakhi
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