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The Neverending Story (The New Christian Chronicles)
Southern Baptists ending talks with Catholic Church ^ | 3/24/01 | AP

Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.


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To: The_Reader_David
The chapter then goes on to forbid heeding soothsayers or diviners, and tells prophets how to behave.

Yep, read the definition of each.

Now, the only word in the passage having anything to do with the dead is "necromancer".

Ahem - no. You recognized necromancy, you haven't researched the other arts or you'd realize immediatly that your statement is in error.

Webster's dictionary defined "necromancy" as "the art of, or a device for, revealing the future by pretended communication with the spirits of the dead; hence magic in general; conjuration." "Necromancer" is defined only as a derived form.

Research Necromancy - Webster's is a highly simplified view of what it is. Necromancy involves communing with the dead rather regularly for more than revealing the future. The bible also forbids the likes of psychics - who even today claim to communicate with the dead for their clients. You really need to study better, bud.

Thus, following standard protestant exegetical methods, we find that saying "St. David of Wales, patron of my soul, pray to Christ God that he grant mercy to my soul." Is not forbidden by the commandment of God which you cite.

You err in so doing. You need to talk to Angelo and study better!

By the way, are you so scrupulous about these things that you wouldn't buy a linen-wool blend jacket? (Just wondering--that's forbidden to the Jews in the Old Covenant too.)

Is any law less than another or more easy to break than another and get by with? If it is ok to break the least of the laws, is it not then ok to worship the devil? Sin is sin. Disobedience is disobedience. One sin is neither greater nor lesser than another. If you be disobedient in one thing, you are disobedient in all - for all are sin. And all sin is equal. Why do you tempt God with your words?

821 posted on 10/17/2001 4:34:33 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: SoothingDave
We know from here that many who claim to have the Spirit within screw up a lot.

I agree completely and that includes the magic sternum.

822 posted on 10/17/2001 4:38:30 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: JHavard
Roflmbo!!!!
823 posted on 10/17/2001 4:41:34 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Pelayo
So better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven? We need a new line for Proddies, how about "better to be my own master than be ordered to go to Heaven!"

So then it is your belief that "Proddies" go to hell?

824 posted on 10/17/2001 4:42:08 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: SoothingDave
The Devil whispers in your ear "you don't need to listen to anybody else, just read the Bible by yourself -- God promised to send his spirit to help you"

This comes awfully close to blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. Isn't that sin unforgivable? I'll pray for you, for what it's worth.

825 posted on 10/17/2001 4:45:28 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: dignan3
Yeah and five minutes later God is telling them images of angels to put on the Ark of the Covenant and in the Tabernacle. See Exodus 25:18-22; 26:1,31. Lets not forget the brass serpent that God told Moses to make in Numbers 21:8-9. The final touch is images of cheribum in Solomon's Temple. See 1 Kings 6:23-29, 35; 7:29. Other images that Solomon had made were oxen and lions. See 1 Kings 7:25, 29.

Note, in all these cases, God commanded these things be done. Are you God that ye may command anything? Do you usurp authority that God holds to himself as an excuse to break His laws?! Who are you that you should Judge God and His actions?! Who is your clergy that they may teach you to do so by default! You tempt the Lord with your words and have no realization of what you speak. God does as His purpose leads Him to do. You're Clergy does the same. The word shall judge. And the Lord will have his day!

826 posted on 10/17/2001 4:52:34 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc; Iowegian; the808bass
RobbyS wrote: ...the decision of the Reformers simply to ignore 1500 years of Church history and to reconstruct Christian doctrine on the basis of the Scripture alone.

Is this historically accurate?

827 posted on 10/17/2001 4:54:18 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: SoothingDave
Now if we consider the Church to be an organism its collective understanding of Truth has been growing for two millennia. What we all understand now about God is based upon generations before us learning and adding to this store of understanding.

This is the RC version of the liberal's line that the Constitution is a "living, breathing document". Thus allowing them to make up, out of thin air, anything that they so desire, as long as the magisterium, er... high court agrees to it. A very edifying post SD.

828 posted on 10/17/2001 4:55:35 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: dadwags
Matt. 16:18,19 John 14:16,17 Matt. 28:19,20

I thought you were going to post something about the magic sternum. Where is it?

829 posted on 10/17/2001 4:58:08 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: saradippity
Another person thought it was almost an insult to call on God while refusing to obey His commandments and a third person was sure that Americans were good people and had been attacked by evil-doers,consequently God would grant the request to bless the country. What do you all think

Not until we stop our evildoing. 1.5 million baby murders per year. We have plenty of our own evildoers.

830 posted on 10/17/2001 5:06:11 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: RobbyS
If you're talking to physically dead saints you are into spiritualism. Boy, that's a stretch! The Church has rituals to get rid of spirits that seem to inhabit people and places.

Changing the subject from spiritualism to demonic possession. Nice try Gomer.

831 posted on 10/17/2001 5:11:49 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: hopefulpilgrim
Over a thousand years of deconstruction made a reconstruction (re-formation) necessary. Back to the important basics is another way of putting it. Read Christ's letters to the 7 churches in Revelation. It tells them to go back to the original way they were (they had lost their first love- Christ) and He very clearly showed them their errors. The RC church had not changed (in the right direction) and today, well, you be the judge if they ever have.
832 posted on 10/17/2001 5:13:35 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: dignan3
Yeah kind of like how you guys try to find loop-holes and not take Christ's words at face value

There aren't any loopholes there. Some of us understand the spiritual. Jesus said exactly what we claim he said. You can't defend against that. Instead you ignore everything he said on the subject except what you want to hear that would support your views if it were the only things he said. Fortuneately for us, he said more than you are willing to deal with. And because he did; we know the truth from the mouth of the Lord. Major difference here is, as usual, we accept the whole Bible as Christians. As Catholic you take what your clergy tells you and ignore the rest. Afterall, they know better what Jesus said than you. You can't read and understand anything. You're just a lowly ignorant moron that can't comprehend as they can. They are men with titles they have to know more than you. The Devil is more brilliant than you'll ever be - he's wrong too. But your clergy uses a lot of his tricks...

833 posted on 10/17/2001 5:14:18 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
If you're talking to physically dead saints you are into spiritualism. Boy, that's a stretch! The Church has rituals to get rid of spirits that seem to inhabit people and places.

He's had a banner day of throwing scripture verses out there whether they pertain or not.

834 posted on 10/17/2001 5:14:33 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Steven
Careful there Steven, I am quite sure God is capable of punishing those who deserve it without punishing all of us for the sins of others.
835 posted on 10/17/2001 5:17:21 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: Iowegian
Careful there Steven, I am quite sure God is capable of punishing those who deserve it without punishing all of us for the sins of others.

Your numbers are a bit off. A little more than 50% support abortion. Our nation has 280 million people. 180 million righteous is a bit much. By the way Psalms says it rains on the righteous as well as the wicked.

836 posted on 10/17/2001 5:20:00 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Iowegian
Careful there Steven, I am quite sure God is capable of punishing those who deserve it without punishing all of us for the sins of others.

Did 6,000,000 of his chosen deserve it?

837 posted on 10/17/2001 5:21:26 PM PDT by Invincibly Ignorant
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To: Iowegian
So then it is your belief that "Proddies" go to hell?

Sure. Lots of them.
And lots of Catholics too.
There is a huge difference between being IN the covenant and being OF the covenant. There are LOTS of people in even the most Spirit-filled churches that can hear the Gospel over and over and over and never have it never touch their heart. This is why so many Catholics "get saved" by leaving the church and why so many Protestants "come home" never having heard the Gospel where they grew up.
I'm not claiming it wasn't preached properly... they just weren't open to it at the time. The church we often attend here (my wife grew up Baptist) is a "non-denominational" Bible church where the pastor never lets a service end without giving a simple Gospel message (kind of like an altar call but without calling them to the altar), yet just last quarter we had a baptism service where a 25ish guy went on about never having "heard" the Gospel until he got to the last year of college - but he had atended this church about every Sunday since he was a kid! (The pastor did a good job of not being too depressed - you know, the whole plant, water, sow thing).

838 posted on 10/17/2001 5:23:18 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: Steven
Your numbers are a bit off.

Huh, what numbers? I didn't give any numbers.

839 posted on 10/17/2001 5:24:07 PM PDT by Iowegian
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To: IMRight; RobbyS
OK, true, but that's not what I meant. I meant: Do you believe all proddies, that is all that don't follow the dictates of the RC will go to hell? This is what I inferred from his post.
840 posted on 10/17/2001 5:27:30 PM PDT by Iowegian
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