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Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
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To: Invincibly Ignorant
I'm glad you came home,glad you found faith and agree that we are becoming too sensitive. I really do wonder how boys can turn into men without the rigorous disciplene,courage and strength required in military training and operations. Can it be developed absent a clear and present danger? Got any thoughts?
To: SoothingDave;Havoc
Havoc said "Jesus didn't pick a successor because no one can succeed Him. He isn't dead."
What meaning would you take from this? These are two totally divorced ideas?
What meaning would you take from this? Why ignore the first and pretend there is only the second?
To: OLD REGGIE
What meaning would you take from this? Why ignore the first and pretend there is only the second? I'm pretending they express one thought. "Jesus can't have a successor because he isn't dead." I ignore neither the first or second. You are totally ignoring the second. Why did he say that, if not to imply that Catholics must somehow teach otherwise?
SD
To: saradippity
Can it be developed absent a clear and present danger? Got any thoughts?I think potential danger is why the military trys to excellerate the process of discipline which leads to maturity. Certainly maturity can be attained outside a military atmosphere as well.
To: Havoc;SoothingDave
Anytime this construct is used in *language*, Dave. Or did we fail language class altogether because we don't know how setences and the beginning and end of thoughts work? Sorry that such a huge concept should be dumped on you so late in life. The Greek texts Use Caps to denote the beginning of new thoughts. Again, don't let the facts get in the way of your spinning. Far be it from me to prevent you making yourself look dumb or something. If you want to charge up the hill and tip that cow, go right ahead. The rest of us that understand language will just muse and puzzle and hope you one day learn to read. Why must you try to jump on such petty points in an attempt to insult other people? Far be it from me to prevent you from making yourself look dumb or something. I'm sure that you have merely forgotten that the Greek manuscripts (prior to, say, some time in the 8th or 9th century) do not "use caps to denote the beginning of new thoughts". They contain no punctuation, no capitalization (or all capitalization if we must argue) and not even spaces between words and sentences. All such modern niceties are entirely the work of human translators and account for many differences between translations and interpretations.
Some may think that I am merely treating you the way that you treated Dave, but since you insisted that you read some Greek and some Chaldee... I thought I would merely remind you of your training.
To: SoothingDave;Havoc
I'm pretending they express one thought. "Jesus can't have a successor because he isn't dead." I ignore neither the first or second. You are totally ignoring the second. Why did he say that, if not to imply that Catholics must somehow teach otherwise?
Do you have any idea what this . is? Two distinct thoughts! It means to me that you have no real rebuttal to his post so you are hanging your hat on your "spin" of his words.
To: OLD REGGIE
Do you have any idea what this . is? Two distinct thoughts! It means to me that you have no real rebuttal to his post so you are hanging your hat on your "spin" of his words. You guys are priceless. So everytime I encounter a period I am to forget everything I read before and treat it as an entirely new, unrelated thought. And, according to Havoc, everything that occurs before the next CAPITAL Letter is one complete thought, which can not possibly be composed of related constituents.
You guys are priceless. Everything inside a sentence is one thought. Every next sentence is a completely unrelated thought. LOL
SD
To: RobbyS
Oh,I certainly will pray for your son and am not a pacifist by any means given the givens in the world as it is.I think there are things worth fighting for but I believe the veil must be lifted and that can only be done with prayer and a commitment to truth.
I believe that there were reasons we should have been in Viet Nam but unfortunately many bureaucrats and politicians had different agendas. Agendas that more closely corrresponded with the agenda we were told we were fighting to contain.In that instance, Communism. We have plenty of reasons to maintain a strong military currently;however,I wish I believed it was for the reasons they are telling us,I don't.
I will pray for your son and your family. I can only add that God held me and our childdren very gently and firmly through it all. It was only when I thought I didn't need Him that I threw myself in a mess of trouble. But I learned from that too.God Bless.
To: angelo
Great graphic, Reg! I'm hereby stealing it for future use...
It's only fair. I stole it to begin with.
To: OLD REGGIE
Do you have any idea what this . is? Two distinct thoughts! It means to me that you have no real rebuttal to his post so you are hanging your hat on your "spin" of his words. Actually... I see three sentences in your post and only one (to be charitable) thought. Amazing how you used those punctuation marks without having to express three distinct thoughts. And again... you won't find very many ".'s" in Scripture.
To: SoothingDave
You guys are priceless. So everytime I encounter a period I am to forget everything I read before and treat it as an entirely new, unrelated thought. And, according to Havoc, everything that occurs before the next CAPITAL Letter is one complete thought, which can not possibly be composed of related constituents.You guys are priceless. Everything inside a sentence is one thought. Every next sentence is a completely unrelated thought. LOL
When you start both paragraphs with "you guys are priceless" are you attempting to show that you can actually express the same thought over two entire paragraphs (not just two sentences)? Masterfull (and so subtle) :)
To: SoothingDave
If Jesus just did this to "restore" Peter, why did He never restore the other apostles who didn't even hang around in order to have the opportunity to deny Him, but instead fled in terror?
I guess this makes Peter the only true apostle, using your definitions.
Using your definitions, you must think Peter was not only the most dishonest, but the dumbest of the apostles. Maybe the reason Jesus had to speak to Peter more often is because it took a while for the message to get through.
To: american colleen
Matthew shows both the highs and lows of St. Peter, a man. First he's up; then he is down. His is a journey of faith - and sometimes, like all of us, he needed to be tempered in his approach. Like Dave said, he's the only one that seemed to hang around for rebuke.
Too dumb to run. Not too dumb to lie!
To: OLD REGGIE
Using your definitions, you must think Peter was not only the most dishonest, but the dumbest of the apostles. Maybe the reason Jesus had to speak to Peter more often is because it took a while for the message to get through.I wasn't aware that I had lain out any definitions. I said that Jesus gave Peter a threefold charge to tend to the flock. I said that Peter may have denied the Lord, but at least he didn't run away. I find this almost more noble, he risked his denials not being believed and suffering the same fate as his Master.
Where were the other apostles and isn't running away when your Master is in trouble a form of "denial"?
SD
To: OLD REGGIE
Too dumb to run. Not too dumb to lie! We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
Oh Oh Oh. Sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
SD
To: SoothingDave
Not particularly. You could show me where you got them from for a start. I don't have to accept every alleged quote out there.
I gave you the link on #31912. I can't hold your hand little boy.
To: OLD REGGIE
I gave you the link on #31912. I can't hold your hand little boy. The site you linked to doesn't substantiate the quotes, especially the more salacious ones. And you know some Orthodox have a bit of a problem with the Pope. So unless the quotes can be shown from a source text....
SD
To: SoothingDave
he risked his denials not being believed and suffering the same fate as his Master.Amazing courage. He risked his lies not being believed. Man dude. You'll grasp at just about anything. lol.
To: SoothingDave
We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
Oh Oh Oh. Sometimes it causes me to tremble, tremble, tremble.
We're you there when they crucified my Lord?
Wasn't this from the book "The Robe"? I remember the words but not the source.
To: saradippity
I really do wonder how boys can turn into men without the rigorous disciplene,courage and strength required in military training and operations. Can it be developed absent a clear and present danger? Got any thoughts? Competition. Martial arts, or any form of physical and mental discipline that requires you to
1. Learn to respect authority and others.
2. Learn that there are things in life bigger than your own selfish desires.
3. Test yourself against others. This means there are winners and losers.
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