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[malakhi]

The Neverending Story
An ongoing debate on Scripture, Tradition, History and Interpretation.

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[IMRight]

these guys here are too stiff, need help in greasing them up

Ummm.... Have you been paying attention to Havoc's posts. perhaps you should change your language?

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

As G. K. Chesterton once said, there is no worse dogmatist than he who is unaware of his own beliefs. He constantly runs the risk of falling into the very intolerance that he claims to abhor.

Whats that mean? :)

BigMack

[OLD REGGIE]

Just talked to my father - a 65 year old grad of BC - he told me Cushing could converse in Latin and of course said Mass in Latin during my father's years there. He also told me that Cushing had a commanding voice (but sounded nasally/Bostonian) in English.

How could your father know if Cardinal Cushing could converse in Latin? He might have been able to stumble his way through it.

This I know. When Cardinal Cushing spoke the Mass no person who was fluent in Latin knew what he was saying. They knew what he was supposed to be saying. Big difference.

Your father is right in that Cardinal Cushing spoke like a machine gun. It was difficult to keep up with him when he was speaking in his "native" Bostonese. He is the one who taught the "faithful" how to "speed talk". He could say the whole Mass and have the congregation out, and the parking lot emptied in 1/2 hour. He would then rush to Suffolk Downs.

[SoothingDave]

Chastity is like when a priest doesn't diddle little boys. So that's one good understanding. Intrinsic evil is like when a priest does diddle little boys. But Chastity doesn't stop the priest being a homosexual. And saying that 'a homo not being chaste is intrinsically evil' is not the same as saying "homosexuality is a sin." I do understand "invincibly ignorant" - it's the level of stupidity at which one accepts two unequal propositions as being equal and then lauds them as being such.

Sigh. What do you think folks? Let him keep displaying his crudity and ignorance? Or introduce him to the Catholic idea of chastity?

SD

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I thought it was "pride goeth before destruction and a haughty concience before the fall" or close to that.

Must be one of those made up catholic editions.

[eastsider]

You will note that YHWH did not mention here that He created all things through the Son, as John 1:3 asserts.

You will also note that the Nicene Creed that we discussed last week starts with "I believe in God, the Father Almighty, Creator of heaven and earth," yet there is no contradiction between John 1:3 and the Nicene Creed. This relates back to the concept of appropriation that I previously posted. Creation was the act of all three persons of the Trinity, yet appropriated to the Father to keep in the mind of the faithful that the Father is principle without principle of the Trinity -- the eternal origin of the Son and Holy Spirit.

[SoothingDave]

As G. K. Chesterton once said, there is no worse dogmatist than he who is unaware of his own beliefs. He constantly runs the risk of falling into the very intolerance that he claims to abhor.

Whats that mean? :)

Chesterton said a whole lot of things. We can't expect them all to have meaning. ;-)

(Actually I think it means something along the lines of people who live in glass houses, might get hoisted on their own petard, especially if they're a squeaky wheel. Does that help?)

SD

[IMRight]

No smily face on your response so I assume you are serious. Here's hoping your "ignorance" on this issue is "vinceble":

Must be one of those made up catholic editions.

Proverbs 16:18 (KJV): "Pride goeth before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a fall."

Still loving that Catholic KJV huh? :p

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Ummm.... Have you been paying attention to Havoc's posts. perhaps you should change your language?

Why? I think you kinda cute. :)

BigMack

[OLD REGGIE]

Mack, Becky's saying "Hail Mary's". ;o)
There are some things we'll never forget. The only thing is, I can only say it in "speed talk". Does it lose it's meaning that way?

[Invincibly Ignorant]

No smily face on your response so I assume you are serious. Here's hoping your "ignorance" on this issue is "vinceble":

I'm just going to assume you're an pompous ass for not knowing when a person is kidding around.

[Invincibly Ignorant]

But at least you're consistent.

[IMRight]

Ohhhh. Pretty harsh. I said I didn't see a smiley face didn't I? I'll just pretend there was one on the pompous ass post.

[IMRight]

You must have missed the family photos I posted. Back off or I sic Havoc on ya!

[Isaiah_66_2]

BTW dave, it is not an attack to expose the Truth of papist perversions and atrocities, although I realize that you like to think they are attacks, motivated by a blindness to the evils committed, and a sense of "political correctness"---the Truth is always "felt" like an attack by the guilty. It's not healthy to have such an unbalanced view of things whereby you ignore and sweep under the rug(just like the EX papist said in her letter) the evil committed by the papist church.
I certainly didn't try to sweep the evils committed by the likes of Jimmy Swaggart or Jim Baker under the rug----myself and responsible Christians spoke out against their evils and called for repentance, as we do with others---why don't you do the same with evils within Romanism?

Letter 2) Orders came from Rome
USA TODAY's editorial, "Lax church policies let problem priest prey on kids", was right on target("Our View, Pedophile priests debate, Feb. 13, 2002). Still, you are just scratching the surface. Continued digging will uncover proof that control comes from Rome prophibiting bishops and religious superiors from purging the dioceses and orders of pedophiles.
Until recently, the bishops could only send them to some rehabilitation and then reassign them.
Roman Catholic church structure is based on obedience and authority. Rome was and is the ultimate authority, and the bishops--such as Cardinal Bernard Law in Boston--follow with blind obedience. That is one qualification for being selected as a bishop.
The Opposing View by Bishop Wilton D. Gregory of Belleville, Ill., tells us that "heightened seminary-screening processes attempt to identify and weed out unhealthy candidates for the priesthood"("We have been enlightened")
Apparently he is unaware that this screening in the form of psychological testing has been in place for more than 30 years, with very little success.
Robert M. Wesson
Vienna, Va.
Another RC who doesn't hide his head in the sand.

Letter 3)Did church cover up crimes?
What an amazing confession by Bishop Wilton D. Gregory.
He says that the Roman Catholic hierarchy has known for ages that pedophelia is a violation of civil law even as it handles it as merely a moral offense "treatable" by penance and counseling.
This is clearly aiding and abetting a crime. Now he claims to be "enlightened"? The Roman Catholic church has not been "enlightened"--it has been caught!
Not until the victims began protests and filed charges, not until it became too expensive to conceal this hypocrisy, did the Roman Catholic church decide it could not longer hide these perverts any longer.
This quibbling only adds to the smell.(I agree!)
Frank Powell
Florence, Ala.

Stay tuned, there is more to come---dating way back in history.

Dave, don't you know that the Physician cannot heal that which doesn't know it's sick? Don't you know, that the righteous, have no need of the Savior?
Keep trying to sweep those evils under the rug and having an unhealthy, unbalanced view of the evils and atrocities of the papist church, and yule find that you are only fooling yourself.

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

angelo Steven said ass.

BigMack

[Invincibly Ignorant]

Ohhhh. Pretty harsh. I said I didn't see a smiley face didn't I? I'll just pretend there was one on the pompous ass post.

Whatever.

[al_c]

Welcome back to the land of the insane. Hows mom and the kid doing? I missed you, these guys here are too stiff, need help in greasing them up. We have been bashing angelo while you were gone, Reggie and Dave are still best buds :) We had a drive by shooting the other day from some guy that said all us NCs are stupid, and we all responded in like, he hasn't been back. JHavard has stoped posting, said something about being free of this addiction. Havoc and some of the catholics are fussing about homos, Steven cheated some of us out of the # 30,000 post the other day, he is still right up there with Paul, you know chief siner and all :) so all in all everthing is just about normal.

Land of the insane? Man, it's good to be back ... I need the rest. ;o) Mom and girls are doing great. I just called to check up on them and instead of the frazzled mom at her wits end that I expected, I was greeted with an enthusiastic "Hi!" She said everyone is great today.

What's all this about abusing Angelo? Did all the RCs and NCs finally put down their differences and now have only the token Jew to pick on? ;o) I'm reminded of a line from Ghostbusters ... "Cats and dogs living together ... total hyseria!!"

I did notice that Steven grabbed #30k ... but was it the official 30K?

Give me a reference link to the drive-by ... that sounds interesting. No more JH? I hope he still checks in, I'm still looking for that Cadillac pick-up that we talked about months ago.

Catholics and Havoc fussing? Yeah, right! ;o)

Let's see if we can loosen up the stiffnecks, shall we?

[OLD REGGIE]

I, as would any rational reader, understand the name Constantine in the context of these discussions to mean the actual historical person who attained the throne of the Roman Empire after a period of civil strife, legalized Christianity in the Empire, moved its capital from Rome to Constantinople, and called the First Ecumenical Council. Since you seem to regard sober and detailed correction as to historical facts regarding his life and related matters of ecclesiatical history as "pompous lectures", perhaps you are using the name in some other way. If so, quite frankly, I think you deserve all the pompous lectures you get whether from me, other Orthodox, or the Latins on the thread.

OK, Oh Pompous One.

And I believe the "Pre-Constantine" Christian Church was a vastly different Church than the "Catholic" Church which emerged from the Constantine era.

Lecture all you wish but watch that your eyes don't cross.

[al_c]

Ummm.... Have you been paying attention to Havoc's posts. perhaps you should change your language?

LOL!!!