Posted on 10/15/2001 6:54:40 AM PDT by malakhi
| Statesmen may plan and speculate for liberty, but it is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue. - John Adams |
Blessing or curse? :)
How do you get any work done, I know your work is on the puter, but how do get anything done and post on here at the same time, whats your method?
BigMack
BigMack
LOL!
That is just how Mack felt about the whole thing, he thinks that's natural childbirth for men:)
He was there for the first, but did it the natural way for the second. Which actually he didn't have a choice on. In those days (man, that makes you feel old) dad wasn't allowed in for c-sections.
Becky
Till right up to today? Meaning he's not beautiful anymore? ;o)
Yeah, if you want a warm fuzzy feeling, go put a peach in the microwave. :)
BigMack
He's not a really an Albert ... he's an imposter, a fake, a wannabe! Don't post his pictures here!!!!!!!!!!!!
You're darn right! I oughta open up a can o' Inquisition on him (algore, that is)! ;o)
I think it is a positive development and the liturgy is quite close to that of the 1928 American prayer book service. You forgot to mention that in a number of cases where Anglican parishes have been accepted for the Anglican Use, the married priest has been allowed to remain both.
Your questions run a little backwards for me:) So lets start here, and see where we go.
Evidence of God's existence. Look around. Do you really think this all came from nothing? Do you think this all started by itself?
Becky
Because God is. I was raised in church going family by parents who sincerely believed in Christ and continue to do so and yet shortly after becoming a member of the Church, I began to ask a lot of questions. Why did god need to create humans?
He didn't need to, He chose to.
Why does god allow the world to exist with evil and suffering in it?
God allows us to be free moral agents. The consequence of this is that we can choose bad or good, hence bad things happen. Were God to make us and then compel us to only the good, there would be as much joy involved as if you created a robot and commanded it to act like it loves you.
God wants to be loved and to love us, but this is a true love, one freely chosen.
How could a loving god knowingly create a situation where some people would be damned to hell for eternal suffering?
God gives us a choice. Those who will be damned will have made their decision to not be in the presence of God.
Of coruse God could have made a world where everyone was shiny and happy and their was no chance anything bad would ever happen. But then we wouldn't be free and we would never learn true compassion.
And most importantly, what evidence is there at all of god's existence?
Look at the cow. What except a God who wishes us well, would create a beast stupid enough to stand around until you felt like killing it?
This could never happen by accident.
SD
Yeah ... well Becky said it yesterday. Nyah nyah!
And most importantly, what evidence is there at all of god's existence?
I'M GLAD YOU ASKED . . .
Isaiah 40:22, "It is he that sitteth upon the CIRCLE OF THE EARTH." How did Isaiah know in 700 B.C. the earth is round? The scientists of Isaiah's day thought the earth was flat. They didn't discover the earth is round until the early 1500s when Magellan sailed around the world. How did Isaiah know something over 2000 years ahead of science?
BigMack
Before I begin, though, the first thing we need to know is, what sports teams do you support?
Why do any of you believe in God?
I believe in God because I find that belief in God is the simplest explanation for the universe and my own existence.
Why did god need to create humans?
He didn't 'need to'. He chose to.
Right off the bat we run into the limitations of language in talking about God. There are many different metaphors we can use to discuss Him, all of which are inadequate.
Why does god allow the world to exist with evil and suffering in it?
Would non-existence be preferable? Would you rather live in this world with all its faults, or never have had the chance to experience it?
How could a loving god knowingly create a situation where some people would be damned to hell for eternal suffering?
I'm a Jew, so I'm off the hook on this one. Jews do not believe in eternal damnation.
what evidence is there at all of god's existence?
There is no conclusive evidence for God's existence. I find the five standard 'proofs' for His existence to be problematic for various reasons. For me, the existence of God is made credible because of two things: objective morality and free will.
I'll wait for your reply and then we can discuss any of these points in more detail.
Becky
For my first, 15 years ago, I was there the whole time through 24 hours of labor but a blessedly fast delivery once the pushing started. For my second, 14 years ago, I was out of town and ended up pacing a hotel lobby in the middle of the night drinking coffee and smoking cigarettes (my fantasy is realized!). It was down near Bourbon Street and some really interesting people came pouring in to the hotel in those wee hours. This last one (last month) is proof positive that God has a sense of humor. I was in the delivery room for the C section. It was very easy for me but, as I said, my wife hated it.
Now you people don't get any ideas. I was in New Orleans for a church convention - believe it or not!
We use a lot more Greek when things are explained, like "ektenia" and "doxology" and "antiphons." And "eucharist." I meant more in worship. I'm flipping through my copy of the Liturgy now, but I don't believe we actually use the word "eucharist" during the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom (which we perform almost exclusively.) The prayers are almost entirely English, such as "we offer up this rational and bloodless sacrifice." And "send down Thy Spirit upon these Gifts here spread forth." And "not unto judgment, nor unto condemnation, be my partaking of Thy Holy Mysteries, O Lord."
Easy. The wife is my only alledged employee and I don't supervise myself.
Wimps! I was right there for the delivery of both my children, holding one of my wife's legs, while a nurse held the other, and helping her push. I was there to see the head crowning, to watch the doctor ease the baby's shoulders out, to hear the first cry, and to be the first to see whether they had indoor or outdoor plumbing. I wouldn't have missed it for anything.
Oh Dave,,LOL,,I never thought about defending the existence of God like this. But it works:)
Becky
How do you translate anamnesis in your liturgy in the words of institution? Do you say "remembrence" or "in memory" or something else?
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