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To: goldstategop
The weird thing is that a thousand years ago the Islamic world was at the forefront of culture and innovation. In fact, the ancient Roman and Greek texts came to us because they were translated into Arabic and then re-translated back again. Something happened in the Islamic world in the last few centuries to cause their world to remain in the past while the West vastly surpassed them. Perhaps they couldn't adapt to the Industrial Revolution.
20 posted on 10/15/2001 5:12:53 AM PDT by PJ-Comix
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To: PJ-Comix
The weird thing is that a thousand years ago the Islamic world was at the forefront of culture and innovation

Islam is a culture of conquest. It's Golden Age was during its period of expansion and conquest. It absorbed Persia and Babylon and Byzantium, Roman colonies in North Africa, and parts of India.

In the process, it absorbed people who understood how to run a civilization. While such people were being absorbed, Islamic civilization functioned. But for existing Muslims, there was no respect for learning that was not related to the Koran. When Islam stopped conquering existing civilizations, and the inflow of people stopped, Islam went into decline.

22 posted on 10/15/2001 5:26:07 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor
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To: PJ-Comix
Those Arab developments may well have occurred before Mohammed came along.

The Chinese experienced a similar lock in time. They were very advanced many thousands of years ago long before the other civilizations but something happened. They were forging and casting various metals very early on. Whatever it was basically stopped all innovation and locked their history.

28 posted on 10/15/2001 5:45:01 AM PDT by DB
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To: PJ-Comix
I remember a quote from another thread that the Arabs had a 1000 year head start on civilization but did nothing with it. The Muslim Arabs did translate much of what we know about Greeks and Romans but didn't use the information at all. Even the "Arabic numerals" were Hindu and came to the west by way of Arab traders who, again, didn't do much with them.

In the ancient world, conquest of land was considered a hallmark of civilization and by that count, Islam was remarkably successful until about the time of the European Renaissance. But other than some geometric art and some modern scientists (who live in the west), the Islamic world has produced very little for civilization. In fact, innovation is actively discouraged by most Muslim nations even though some very creative and intelligent people do break through -- especially in the modern era.

40 posted on 10/15/2001 8:34:16 AM PDT by AmishDude
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