Immigration Reform: What must be done in the aftermath, and immigration status of 9/11 hijackers

The Federation for American Immigration Reform ^ | Sept '01 | The Federation for American Immigration Reform

[winna]

Also from the FAIR website: The immigration status of the Sept. 11 terrorists:

The Pentagon Plane (AA Flight 77, Dulles to Los Angeles)

1. Khalid Al-Midhar
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Arrived U.S. Jan. 2000 on B-2 tourist visa, arrived again July 2001 on B-1 business visa.
   • Put on the Watch List for terrorists after entering U.S. last time.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.
2. Nawaf Al-Hamzi
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Arrived U.S. Jan. 2000.
   • In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license .
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.
3. Salem Al-Hamzi
   • Identity in doubt.
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Arrived U.S. June 2001.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.
4. Majed Moqed
   • Identity in doubt.
   • Entered on nonimmigrant visa after May 2001.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.
5. Hani Hasan Hanjour (26) - Saudi Arabian
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Admitted in Nov. 2000 on F-1 visa to study English at Holy Names College (Oakland CA). Never showed up. In illegal status because he was not enrolled, but visa may not have expired.
   • Had been in U.S. earlier in 1996, when he received flight training in Arizona.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.

The WTC North Tower Plane (AA Flight 11, Boston to Los Angeles)

1. Satam Al-Suami (25)
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
2. Waleed Al-Shehri (21) - Saudi Arabian
   • Licensed pilot; entered on nonimmigrant visa, possible M-1 visa.
   • Arrived June 2000.
   • In illegal nonimmigrant status (visa overstay) at time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.
3. Wael Al-Shehri (25) - Saudi Arabian
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
   • Licensed pilot; possible M-1 visa.
   • Had a Florida ID card.
4. Mohamed Atta
   • Obtained visa in Berlin Germany, May 2000.
   • Licensed pilot.
   • Arrested in Florida for driving without license, and failed to show up for court date.
   • Subsequently obtained Florida driver’s license.
   • Overstayed temporary entry permit, but was able to subsequently reenter U.S. on the same visa.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Put on the Watch List for Terrorists after entered U.S. last time.
5. Abdulaziz Al-Omari
   • Identity in doubt.
   • Entered the U.S. in or after May 2001.
   • Entered on nonimmigrant visa and in legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license.

The WTC South Tower Plane (UA Flight 175, Boston to Los Angeles)

1. Marwan Al-Shehhi
   • Licensed pilot; possible M-1 visa.
   • Overstayed temporary entry permit, but was able to subsequently reenter U.S. on the same visa.
   • Entered the U.S. in or after May 2001.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.
2. Fayez Ahmed Al-Shehri - Saudi Arabian.
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
3. Ahmed Al-Ghamdi
   • Entered on F-1 student visa.
   • In illegal visa overstay status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida ID card.
   • Had a Virginia driver’s license
4. Hamza Saleh Al-Ghamdi (20) - Saudi Arabian
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.
5. Mohald Al-Shehri
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
   • Identity in doubt.

The Pennsylvania Plane (UA Flight 93, Newark to San Francisco)

1. Saeed Al-Ghamdi
   • Unclear how entered U.S.
   • Identity in doubt.
   • Probable pilot; possible M-1 visa.
   • Had a Florida ID card.
2. Ahmed Ibrahim A. Al-Haznawi
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Entered the U.S. in or after May 2001.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.
3. Ahmed Abdullah Al-Nami (23) - Saudi Arabian
   • Obtained visa in Saudi Arabia.
   • Entered the U.S. in or after May 2001.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida ID card.
4. Ziad Samir Jarrah
   • Entered on nonimmigrant visa in July 2000.
   • In legal nonimmigrant status at the time of the attack.
   • Had a Florida driver’s license.

[Henchman]

Let's keep it simple. They MUST meet the requirements

- a real sponsor, not a BS one to get in; if they ever come in illegally, they do not get to be a citizen as they are a criminal - automatically disqualification (unless H. Clinton gets in.) If they become a citizen they must be able to read and write ENGLISH. (When crashing into my car because they do not have a license, I'd like to understand what they are saying.)And at least when they vote illegally in my country because of Drive up Voter registratation, they will know what they voted for.

If they have an operation or any other emergency bill, they pay for it not the taxpayer. If they slide under the gate to get in and have a baby, the brat AINT a US citizen. They do not qualify for welfare, ever. Do not come here and ask for my job and allege discrimination. If you have a physical, mental or other malady, they do not qualify.

Immigration IS NOT GOOD for America as the liberals say. Read Samuel Gompers, an immigrant. it is time for immigrants to become Americans, not for us to bend over for their "culture". If thay had a culture, the current wave of immigrants would have a trade, education or other required skill demanded of our ancestors.

My family includes Jewish, Irish, Italian, American Indian (Caucasians - Jamon & Ainu were the "Native" Americans) German, Vietnamese, Russian etc. Sorry, but the Judeo Christian, Western European "culture" built the country. Let's assimilate what we have; and restrict immigration to the original nationalities that created a great country that is now being trashed by the politicians and bin Ladens.

[tessalu]

Please God, give our government the courage and the will power to keep these evil people out of our country. Most of us have never seen such evil human beings in all of our lives. The destroyers have come.

[tessalu]

We need to get all traitors out of the United States as swiftly as we can. If Muslims are supporting terrorists privately, in mosques, or elsewhere, they need to go fast. It should be a crime to recruit terrorists in the USA or teach it on our soil.

[sarcasm]

ping

[StormEye]

Get rid of political correctness, multi-culturalism, affirmative action and other anti-Western, anti-American and anti-white pogroms in America. That's what must be done. If my statement offends somebody, well, then I refer all those somebodies to Sept. 11, 2001 and the events in NYC.

[VeritatisSplendor]

keep it simple. Bar Muslims.

Mrs VS

[FITZ]

It's definitely time to revamp the INS completely. We can take some immigrants, but they need to be only from compatible cultures, need to be self-sufficient with auto-insurance if they drive and medical insurance for their own health care needs, and watched closely until they earn citizenship.

[Clinton's a liar]

Great post!

A friend and I were talking just last night about the absolute necessity for entry-exit accountability for everyone who visits the US. It's astounding that we don't have that apparatus in place.

[agitator]

Nobody likes uncontrolled immigration more than I do but the people at FAIR are idiots - Stein, in particular. When you back them against the wall, their primary approach is to tattoo every American with a serial number. No serial number? You must be illegal. This is an ass-backwards and Nazi approach.

The proper approach is to not allow illegals to get here in the first place. I don't care what regulations are imposed on immigrants, but don't come after ME with your tattoo needles.

FAIR should be ignored until they read and understand the Constitution.

[winna]

Point taken. There's always a flip-side and there are always consequences. I had never heard of FAIR before today and their proposals sound plausible, but you know more about them than I do and I don't doubt what you say is true.

Personally I'd like to see all aliens from middle eastern countries deported until we can get INS straightened out. Easier said than done though. There doesn't appear to be a simple solution to this mess.

[rolling_stone]

Sorry to disagre with you, but 1) It is near impossible to keep illegals out short of having a moat loaded with crocodiles and then people could sneak in in airplanes just like they bring in loads of drugs. 2) Many illegals originally entered legally and have overstayed their visas or are otherwise in violation of their status. How do you intend to identify those people?

Many members of FAIR are ex immigration officers who have first hand experience combatting this problem with under-enforced laws. If the present laws were enforced and some loopholes closed you would be surprised at the result
No one is suggesting tattoos except maybe some agitators....
I guarantee I have read and have a fair understanding of the Constitution, so what about my rights protecting me from these illegals? As far a identification, the only one not needing a national id such as a passport is someone that never leaves the US or goes to a country that does not require a visa and then you usually must have proof of US citizenship except for short trips to Mexico or Canada....
In case you don't know it you already have a serial number, its your social security number.....

[KC_for_Freedom]

Nobody likes uncontrolled immigration more than I do but the people at FAIR are idiots - Stein, in particular. When you back them against the wall, their primary approach is to tattoo every American with a serial number. No serial number? You must be illegal. This is an ass-backwards and Nazi approach.

I believe you are cutting FAIR too little slack. They have been supporting constitutional reforms for years. However, another thread claims that 300,000 deportations are not being implemented because the people just are hard to find. You have to admit that there is a problem with immigration, (something Bush has not wanted to get involved with), then you have to do something.

BTW, some actions can be taken that do not put is back in Germany in 1943, and sunset clauses can be used if the liberties taken away are too severe. What part of we are in a war don't you understand?

[Frank Vera]

There are an estimated 11 to 15 million foreign nationals (criminals) illegally in this country. This poses a serious threat to our National Security. We the people of the United States of America demand: 1. That President Bush and Congress publicly state that any and all foreign nationals (criminals) illegally in this country pose a national security threat; 2. That no country be given foreign aid unless its government renounces illegal immigration and recalls all of its citizens who have entered the United States of America illegally; 3. That all foreign nationals (criminals) illegally in this country be arrested and deported; 4. That asset forfeiture laws be implemented against illegal immigrants and those who hire, transport, and / or harbor them; 5. That any organization that advocates the overthrow of the United States of America, including MEChA and all its variations, be removed from our schools, colleges and universities; that any government employee who sponsors these programs be terminated; 6. That Congress pass federal laws mandating that all government employees must enforce immigration laws or be terminated, and receive a mandatory 1-year prison sentence for each violation of these laws; 7. That all foreign nationals who remain in the United States of America must be registered and pass a thorough background check; 8. That Americans citizens receive preferential admission to our colleges and universities over foreign nationals; 9. That a 10-year moratorium be placed on immigration so that our country and people can heal. The United States of America: United we stand, divided we fall; one nation, one people, one language.

[agitator]

1) It is near impossible to keep illegals out short of having a moat loaded with crocodiles

How about a moat full of toxic waste, a minefield, automatic machineguns, and a free-fire A10/Apache target range the entire length of our southern border? Think that might help?

and then people could sneak in in airplanes just like they bring in loads of drugs.

Smuggling people is nowhere near as easy as cargo.  C'mon...

2) Many illegals originally entered legally and have overstayed their visas or are otherwise in violation of their status. How do you intend to identify those people?

Presuming we've STOPPED the vast majority of the flow into the country first, you tell everybody that might have a visa "problem" that they had better get it straightened out, leave ASAP, or else. Anybody after a certain date caught with a visa "problem" loses everything and makes big rocks into little rocks in the south pacific for long enough to pay for the expenses of processing them outta here. Anybody found with bogus papers gets the same treatment only longer. These people identify eventually themselves. The problem isn't that we don't identify them, the problem is the morons passing out visas to everybody that walks in the door, the politicians who authorized them to do it, and a system that can't track who they gave those visas out to in the first place. If you limit the visas granted to 10% of those now issued, issue THEM an "Alien ID Card", track THEIR asses, and tell them the instant they don't show up to leave on-time an APB goes out with THEIR picture on it - and the next stop is a hell-hole in the south pacific, you'll see a little change in the way things happen around here.

No one is suggesting tattoos except maybe some agitators....

The FAIR response to the problem is requiring ME to carry around, and produce on demand, an "internal passport." Back them up against the wall, and that's what they boil down to. I'm sorry to be the one to have to clue them in on this but there is no, and can be no, authority under our Constitution to allow that.

In case you don't know it you already have a serial number, its your social security number.....

First of all, I don't have an SSN. The SSA thinks that they have a number that applies to me. I haven't used or provided their social security number to anyone in 8 years and have no intention of starting now. There is no law that says anyone has to have one, ask the SSA if you don't believe me. None of my children will ever have an SSN until they're legally competent to decide that for themselves.

[agitator]

BTW, some actions can be taken that do not put is back in Germany in 1943, and sunset clauses can be used if the liberties taken away are too severe.

"Sunset clauses" are just as reliable as "temporary taxes." Get real!

What part of we are in a war don't you understand?

The part about unconstitutional is unconstitutional. The part about fear doesn't mean resorting to East-German police-state control of citizens. The part about how a bunch of panicked, herded, lemmings can't vote away my God-given rights. There's more but that will do for now.

Yeah, we have a problem with immigration. And it ought to stop NOW. The trick is to make illegal or otherwise unauthorized immigration or residency so unattractive that people voluntarily decide not to do it; not start jumping off of cliffs because the sky is falling and "we're all gonna die!" Stop all immigration now, go back and get the immigration computers up to snuff, and let the deportations begin. Leave me the hell alone. I didn't cause this problem and I'll be damned if I'm gonna let a bunch of panic mongerers jam my rights where the sun doesn't shine.

[Pelham]

A friend and I were talking just last night about the absolute necessity for entry-exit accountability for everyone who visits the US. It's astounding that we don't have that apparatus in place.

The blame for that lies squarely on Spencer Abraham, the former Senator from Michigan (defeated with the help of FAIR) who blocked all serious immigration reform when the chaired the subcommittee on immigration. You'll have to ask Dubya why he appointed this traitor to his cabinet.

[TEXICAN II]

Deport all aliens.

[TEXICAN II]

Tattoo & deport all aliens.

[IceGirl2]

30-years ago I lived and worked in England. I had a work permit and had to register at my local police station. When I moved, I had to register at my new police station. It was not intrusive and I was not upset that they insisted on this. On two occasions they sent someone by to check my work permit and to ensure that my address on my work permit was current.

I don't see why we cannot do the same thing here without people getting all bent out of shape.

However, after seeing the report about 'martyr schools' on CNN last night, I am convinced that we have to do a lot more. I think that until those countries change their attitude and until they clean up their acts, NO IMMIGRANTS from these countries should be allowed to enter the United States. And I mean NOT ONE SINGLE MOSLEM should be allowed in this country until martyr schools are closed and until they teach their people that this is insanity.

I was particularly disgusted with CNN's reporting--acting as if this was just another normal interview. These people are crazy. Their attitude is crazy. Their ideas are crazy. And they are providing health care for the 'martyrs' (murderers!!!) familes! They give them money. They give them education! And CNN just smiles and interviews them. I would spit on them. And until the world realizes that these people are completely insane and do not deserve to be treated as if they are human beings, we are in big trouble.

Those camps and that Arab tv station that promotes these murdering scums as heros should be the first place that should be destroyed.