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To: Carry_Okie
you are entitled to your opinion. mine is based on DOJ data sent to my department. I am not a chemist or toxicoligist. But I trust the DoJ more than I trust ramblings on FR.

Semper Fi

68 posted on 10/15/2001 12:38:41 PM PDT by Trident/Delta
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To: Trident/Delta
Oh you of too much faith in the grubbamint:

" All substances are poisons. There is not one that is not a poison. The correct dose differentiates a poison and a remedy". (Paracelsus 1493-1541)

The McGraw Hill Encyclopedia of Science and Technology [11] lists the following list (I am not going to make a table just for you Trident/Delta. I coule not find a list with both ricin and nicotine, suffice it to say that ALL the data I found has confirmed what I have said in my "ramblings."):

http://www.faqs.org/faqs/sci/chem-faq/part2/section-3.html

"Approximate Median Lethal Doses of Some Toxins per kg of Bodyweight"

Toxin; Dose; Test Animal

tetanus; 1 nanogram; mouse, probably human

botulinal neurotoxin; 1 nanogram; mouse, human

shigella; 1 nanogram; monkey, human

shigella; 1 microgram; mouse

ricin; 1 microgram; human

diphtheria; 100 nanograms; human

diphtheria; 1.6 milligrams; mouse

Ricin is a toxin lectin and hemagglutinin isolated from the castor bean. Merck reports the lethal dose in mice as 1 microgram of ricin D nitrogen (ip) per kg, and that ricin molecular weight is about 65,000. Ricin has been shown to contain four lectins, of which the RCL III (aka Ricin D ) and RCL IV are the toxins. Merck also reports the following LD50 per kg of bodyweight:- http://omega.cc.umb.edu/~ehs/chptxt.htm

ACUTE TOXICITY OF SOME TYPICAL LABORATORY CHEMICALS

 

SUBSTANCE
ACUTE TOXICITY (RAT LD50) mg/kg

MERCURIC CHLORIDE

1

AFLATOXIN B1

5

POTASSIUM CYANIDE

5

SODIUM AZIDE

27

NICOTINE

50

FORMALDEHYDE

100

HYDRAZINE

129

PICRIC ACID

200

PHENOL

317

ATROPINE

500

ACETALDEHYDE

661

ARSENIC

763

BENZENE

930

LEAD CHLORIDE

1500

EDTA

2000

ACETONITRILE

2460

XYLENE

4300

METHANOL

5628

ACETONE

5800

ETHANOL

7060

IODINE

14000

GLUCOSE

25800

GLUTAMINE (L-)

80941

1 microgram of ricin per kg of body weight, versus 50 milligrams of nicotine per kg of body weight. Just in case you don't want to do the math, that data makes ricin 50,000 times more toxic than nicotine.

If you continue to doubt it TD, order an MSDS for each of these substances from your vaunted EPA labs. When they get back to you in two weeks (if you are lucky), let me know what they said.

69 posted on 10/15/2001 2:18:07 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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