Is Islam Violent?

Chuckmorse.com ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | Chuck Morse

[Capt.YankeeMike]

Is Islam violent? Do bears go poopy in the woodsies?

[Restorer]

I am deeply pessimistic for the future. I suspect we'll see a continuing deterioration of relations between Islamic countries and the West. Eventual result may be a rise of a new "caliph" controlling Morrocco to Pakistan, including some nuclear weapons. if those are used against US or European cities, the PC gloves come off and the Middle East will be conquered and occupied. The oil-bearing areas will be (justifiably) annexed by the West and the Arabs can go back to being essentially irrelevant camel-jockeys.

I'm not in favor of this outcome. I just think it's likely.

A far better approach would be to develop energy sources that would free us of dependence on Middle East oil. Then we could tell the Arabs to go p*ss up a rope.

[timestax]

bttt

[JCG]

Look up reviews of Icebreaker: Who Started the Second World War? by Vickto Suvorov, Soviet Staff Officer.

Yeah, sure, I'm supposed to take the word of some obscure Russian historian against the combined weight of all the other histories of WWII?  Pure revisionist claptrap as the following excerpt about Suvarov shows.

"Icebreaker" by Russian military historian Viktor Suvarov exposes this picture as
nonsense. This extensively researched piece of historical revisionism provides
compelling evidence that Operation Barbarossa was a reluctant pre-emptive
strike against a massive Soviet military machine poised to invade not just
Germany but the whole of Western Europe.

Hitler conducted a "reluctant pre-emptive strike" in June, 1941?  Give me a break.  It was his intention to grab everything east of Germany from the get-go and his constant yammering about about "Liebensraum" is a big fat clue.  Better get some tinfoil for a helmet.  It'll go nicely with your shirt.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

> HERE'S A CALENDAR FOUND IN SOME MUSLIM SCHOOL IN HOLLAND, NOW DOES THIS LOOK VIOLENT...OH NO, NOT AT ALL!(SARCASM)

Re: #45:

This is the Arabic depiction of the EgyptAir crash which they exceedingly blame the US for.

[Winged Elf]

Keeping the "ous" part, the word "zealous" would work in place of "religious".

[Austin Willard Wright]

I am also pessismistic. There are no good answers. I do know one thing: Islam can only be changed from below through a cultural revolution. This could take hundreds of years. I also suspect that the rise of a unified Islam under a caliph is far more likely if we remain in the Middle East, than if we get out, after killing Bin Laden. Without a U.S. devil to focus on, the various Islamic groups are far more likely to continue with their fracturus ways.

[ppaul]

A far better approach would be to develop energy sources that would free us of dependence on Middle East oil. Then we could tell the Arabs to go p*ss up a rope.

We already have the sources:

ANWR

:

Let's get busy and start using them!

[eFudd]

Every religion is violent. Look at history and see if you can find a major religion that has not used the sword to expedite conversion.

The problem is that when you think you have God on your side, all of a sudden the end justifies the means.

[boycott]

These New Black Panthers are in uniform acting like bad a@@es. These brave punks need to go to Pakistan and fight with the taliban. They won't do it because they are cowards.

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

These New Black Panthers Are just as bad as the old only now they are politically correct for the sharpies of 2001. Lest we forget, these were the same little pr*cks who armed and marched on Jasper, Texas in the wake of the dragging death of James Byrd.

Excerp from article:
Jasper officials and residents had feared the rally could become violent, as members of the New Black Panther Party had vowed to arm themselves and take up positions around town to protect Jasper's black residents.

Before the KKK rally began, members of the New Black Panther Party walked through Jasper's streets, chanting "black power" and warning of violence if there were problems for blacks.

Back to the Future:

Black Panthers: old v. young

London Sunday Times
16 March 1997

A BATTLE for the soul of America's black power movement is expected to come before the courts next month as young activists accuse their elders of going soft and betraying the cause of "power to the people". A group of young zealots has set up a rival Black Panther organisation called the New Black Panther party. They want to try to revive the radicalism of the 1960s, when the group struck terror into the hearts of white Americans and was described by J Edgar Hoover, the FBI chief, as "the greatest threat to the internal security of the United States".

The original Black Panthers, who took their ideology from Mao Tse-tung and Malcolm X but have since mellowed in their outlook, are suing the upstarts to prevent them from using the Panther name and logo of a pouncing panther. "The Black Panther Party Inc does not wish to be confused with the 'New Black Panthers', a group preaching racial division and the inappropriate use of arms to promote social change," said the lawsuit. A judge has ordered the new group to stop using the Panther name until the case is heard.

"I don't give a damn what judge issued an order," said Aaron Michaels, the 35-year-old leader of the new organisation. Michaels, who has led a series of high-profile, armed confrontations with the Texas authorities since last summer, said he believed the original group of Panthers was jealous of the new organisation's success. "We've garnered the attention of the establishment." He branded the original Panthers as "has-been wannabe Panthers", adding: "Nobody can tell us who we can call ourselves."

Michaels earned his revolutionary credentials after calling on blacks to use shotguns and rifles to protest against the chairman of a school board who had been secretly taped calling black students "little niggers".

A few weeks later, Michaels led a group of heavily armed Panthers to a black church near Dallas that had been burnt down. "You catch a cracker lighting a torch to any black church or any property of black people we are to send them to the cemetery," warned Khallid Muhammad, the controversial spokesman for the Nation of Islam, who had rushed to support Michaels and the new Panthers.

It was at this point that Fahim Minkah, leader of the Dallas branch of the original Panthers, initiated the lawsuit, accusing the new Panthers of "race-baiting and bully tactics".

"For these guys to walk around in their little berets and guns smacks us right in the face," said Charles Hillman, a member of the original Panther group. "These new groups are not consistent with what we were about," said David Hilliard, former chief of staff for the Panthers. "They are only spouting rhetoric."

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When was the last time you heard of Aaron Michaels?

BUT!:
Khallid Muhammad, who denied the existence of the Holocaust and has called New York, "Jew York City.", has just appeared on Hannity and Colmes in all his hatefulness in his brand new *uniform*, and he is to be watched...most definitely.

[marty60]

Wealth and comfort do NOT make people decadent. Everyone has free will. People make themselves decadent. Apparently Islam is the blame the other guy religion. I'm sick of hearing about the poor oppressed Muslims. So far I have not seen or heard anything from them (fanatic,Moderate, etc etc) that makes their religion anything but evil incarnate in the world.

[rightofrush]

I take it that you're convinced that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman, that Flt 800 was downed by a fuel tank explosion, that a Ryder truck was reponsible for the Murrah bldg. loss, that the four FBI agents shot at Waco were killed by the Dravidians (never mind that their previous asignment was to guard Gov. Clinton), and that it's perfeclty understable that the 2nd tower hit (with the fuel tank fireball outside the building) was the first to fall.

Don't lose those rose-colored glasses. Reality's a bitch.

[rightofrush]

I tried to bring up your web page and use your e-mail address. No luck with either.

[KLT]

I see the statue of liberty and NYC there. Was the crash in NYC?

[JCG]

Don't lose those rose-colored glasses. Reality's a bitch.

And don't lose contact with those UFOs and fairies.  We can always use a little more pixie dust.

 America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America -- here

 For better viewing download 8Mb file here

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

From October 31, 1999:

NANTUCKET, Massachusetts (CNN) -- An EgyptAir plane with 217 people on board crashed at sea early Sunday off the island of Nantucket, Massachusetts, en route from New York to Cairo, Egypt. The U.S. Coast Guard said one body was recovered from the water and all those on board are feared dead.

Awfully fearsome place, right off Nantucket, eh?
Anyway, look at the picture. The plane is clearly LEAVING New York and crashing, not flying into it.

[KLT]

Then why do they show the Statue of Liberty and NYC on fire? Any reason for that, that's not Nantucket!

[NixNatAVanG InDaBurgh]

PLEASE LOOK AT THE PICTURE! New York is NOT on fire in the picture. The plane is. Egypt has accused the US of intentionally shooting that plane down. The plane was taking off from New York when it crashed.

[KLT]

PLEASE LOOK AT THE PICTURE! New York is NOT on fire in the picture. The plane is. Egypt has accused the US of intentionally shooting that plane down. The plane was taking off from New York when it crashed.

But that's so ridiculous, we'd never shoot down a commercial airline, unless there was something insidious aboard, and you know that to be true.

Was that the same flight with the suicidal copilot?