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Is Islam Violent?
Chuckmorse.com ^ | Oct. 11, 2001 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 10/11/2001 10:52:36 AM PDT by Chuckmorse

Is Islam Violent?

As Americans we are steeped in republican values such as limited government, individual rights, and a separation of church and state.
We traditionally view our neighbor with a live and let live attitude and, while we may not always approve, more often than not we tolerate our differences.
This is why, with all our imperfections, and God knows we have many, we somehow hold together as the most genuinely diverse society ever known to man.

As a result, we seem to have this almost myopic view of the rest of the world.
We assume that all faiths, political as well as religious, are like ours, which tends to involve a personal relationship with a God whom we look to as the creator of our natural sovereign rights.
We have trouble imagining a nation under the direct rule of clerics, or commissars, who interpret the will of God, or science, and use the muscular force of the state to carry out their interpretations.

Our nation was born after a bloody revolution against a tyrannical British monarch, King George III.
This experience imbued our founding generation with a respect for the sovereign rights of nations.
America has often championed the cause of independence from Latin America in the nineteenth century to Europe during the World Wars, Korea, Vietnam, and Kuwait.
We instinctively loathed European colonialism with its attempt to physically dominate the world.
Likewise, we as a people rejected the maniacal new world order visions of both Nazism and Communism.

While we’ve certainly had our share of imperialists operating in the inner reaches of our government and amongst a small segment of our most wealthy establishment, the American people have been notoriously opposed to world dominating schemes.
It has never been an element of our religious or political faith.
Our idea of utopia has always been to live in peace, under our proverbial fig tree, and leave our neighbor alone to peruse the same.
Jefferson expressed this best when he noted in the Declaration of Independence that the truths we hold to be self-evident are “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.”

The vast majority of Muslims who have settled in America have, thank God, adopted the same peaceful American faith that most of the rest of us have regardless of individual means of worshiping God or not worshiping as the case may be.
The same cannot be said of the nations of the world which are presently dominated by religious Muslims.
The religious Muslim movement, like Nazism and left-wing Communism before it, has seized the reigns of power in several sovereign states.
Like the Nazi’s and Communists, they are using that power to spread terror across the planet.

The citizens of these Islamic states chafe under the same type of brutal authoritarianism and one party religious dictatorship as Europeans suffered under Nazism or that Chinese, Cubans or North Koreans suffer under the brutal jackboot of left-wing Communism.
The mobs coursing through the streets of Islamic cities chanting anti-American slogans are the same as the Nazi brown shirts looting Jewish businesses during Kristalnacht or Communists burning and looting American inner cities during the summer of love.

Even though we may be loath to admit it, religious Islam clearly does contain seeds of violence of a type similar to that of its Nazi and Communist counterparts.
Like their counterparts, Islam advocates war, or Jihad, as a means of conquering the non-Islamic world.
Moderate Muslims have westernized the meaning of Jihad to mean peaceful personal struggle and this is a genuinely progressive development.
Like the Nazis and Communists, however, the religious Muslims believe that world peace and happiness will be obtained under what they maintain is the only true faith.
Like the Nazis and Communists, they believe that anything is permissible in the pursuit of this glorious goal including total subjugation of peoples and mass murder.

Chuck Morse Is the author of “Why I’m a Right-Wing Extremist” www.chuckmorse.com


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To: cdwright
Do you mean, that the church tried to 'christianize' the winter solstice, or do you mean that the Judeo-Christian scriptures contain pagan themes?

I refer to the former. This borrowing is far more widespread than most Christians realize (or than you imply). Most of the "colorful" and popular customs of the churches spring from these sources, notably pretty much all the customs associated with holidays. This is especially true of Catholic and Orthodox pracice. Protestants, having severely limited the popular imports in favor of a stripped-down religion, have fewer "pagan" imports.

Depending on your point of view, this borrowing can be considered as either a sanctification of the pagan practices, or as a pollution or contamination of the purity of Christianity. This is very definitely a matter of opinion. The origin of the customs is not.

141 posted on 11/13/2001 4:35:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: cdwright
And we all know how objective, unbiased, and utterly without a trace of secular (or antiChristian) revisionism those documents are!

So find a pre-PC encyclopedia and look under Christmas, Easter, etc. I recommmend the (1911?) edition of the Encyclopedia Britannica.

142 posted on 11/13/2001 4:38:31 PM PST by Restorer
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To: cdwright
I'm really not trying to pick a fight with Christians. I just think it is ludicrous for Christians to denounce Islam as contaminated with paganism. There are lots of better reasons to denounce Islam.
144 posted on 11/13/2001 4:41:26 PM PST by Restorer
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To: notyourregularhandle
neat picture!!
146 posted on 11/13/2001 4:48:06 PM PST by timestax
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To: cdwright
In case you're implying it, I'll offer that it's ludicrous to say that Christianity is contaminated with paganism.

Did I not make it plain that I'm implying no such thing?

I am merely pointing out that if a person insists that Islam is illegitimate because it incorporates elements with roots in paganism, then an intellectually honest person is required to apply the same standard to Christianity. I'm not implying that I apply this standard to either religion.

147 posted on 11/13/2001 4:57:06 PM PST by Restorer
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To: Chuckmorse
OHHHHH yeah!!
149 posted on 11/16/2001 1:06:30 PM PST by timestax
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To: Victoria Delsoul
bump
150 posted on 11/16/2001 1:17:08 PM PST by timestax
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To: mxbluto
bttt
151 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:09 PM PST by timestax
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To: Chuckmorse
Even though we may be loath to admit it, religious Islam clearly does contain seeds of violence

To those who say these terrorists are just a fringe element and that Islam as a whole is peaceful and not responsible for the behavior and positions of the fringe:

What exactly was the last time Lutheran extremists bombed a building?

When did you last hear about that infamous fringe Methodist group hijacking a plane?

How about those fanatic Buddhist madmen taking control of an impoverished country?

And those Catholic thugs cooking up chemical weapons to wipe out their rivals?

And of course we have all heard those stories about Presbyterian sleepers infiltrating a country, intending to live quietly until it's time to commit their terrorist acts ...

152 posted on 11/16/2001 1:22:21 PM PST by SFConservative
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To: Chuckmorse
You better believe they are violent!! And hypocrits too!
153 posted on 11/16/2001 1:24:00 PM PST by timestax
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To: father_elijah
bttt
154 posted on 12/10/2001 11:16:00 AM PST by timestax
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To: Chuckmorse
Is Islam Violent?

IS THE POPE CATHOLIC?

155 posted on 12/10/2001 11:19:24 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: APBaer
Could anybody please compare and contrast "Comparing and Contrasting"?

I'll give it a shot.
This is a great illustration of the power of the English language.
The slight shading of meaning and the implicit message in the choice of word.

"Comparing" assumes no prior judgement about the items being compared; they can have more similarities than differences or vice-versa.
"Contrasting" is a comparison between things assumed or known to be different.

156 posted on 12/10/2001 11:30:35 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Austin Willard Wright
What do we suggest we do about Saudi Arabia, which is *not* cooperating with providing information? Take it over?

One of the constant characteristics of Islam is "might makes right" (that is the clear message in "by the sword").
Assuming that notion to be defensible then yes, taking over Saudi Arabia makes total sense.

157 posted on 12/10/2001 11:44:31 AM PST by Publius6961
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To: Chuckmorse
Is Islam violent?

Of course not!


158 posted on 12/10/2001 11:49:26 AM PST by Redcloak
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To: Publius6961
Well, I am sure that there are plenty of folks who agree with this Crusade you are proposing. Why don't you guys get together and fight in this noble cause?
159 posted on 12/10/2001 11:55:06 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: cake_crumb
There was a time in the history of Christianity when radical Christian extremists invaded the newly created Muslim world and tried to forcibly convert them or kill them - and get lots of booty at the same time. They were called the Crusades

If you really believe this, you must live in a parallel universe.
Newly created Muslim world? Quite a trick, since the "Golden Age" of Islam is considered the latter half of the 8th Century, and the first Crusade was not launched until 1096...

Forcibly convert or kill them? That's a Muslim/Arab concept.
Kill them? of course! The raping thieving Mass Murderers were cutting a swath through the Balkans and Eastern Europe.

Lots of Booty? LOL.
Even Grade school children know this is probably the primary motivation for the Jihad which has lasted almost uninterrupted for 1300 years.

160 posted on 12/10/2001 11:57:19 AM PST by Publius6961
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