Well I think that the questions posed are very appropriate because the Bible also says startlingly clear things like "This is my Body", "You must eat my Flesh and drink my Blood", "You see that a man is jusified by works and not by faith alone", etc... and yet you don't take those teachings at face value, do you? How much clearer can the Bible get, yet you refuse to believe?
I would say about that 80% of the time you guys are the ones asking the questions, at the very least. It is becoming obvious to me that you don't like it when the shoe is on the other foot(namely ours) and that's a pity.
Pray for John Paul II
Ok, class. The Central characters in the Bible relate stories in fiction and non fiction types to express points. They discuss spiritual and non spritual issues... (/parody)
Ya'lls problem is that you want to take the spiritual lessens as carnal and the carnal lessens as spiritual. You want to parableize the truth and literalize the parables. Then you attack us when we call the spiritual lessens spiritual, the carnal - carnal, etc. You have to cry personal interpretation and consistantly fight that argument rather than address what the word actually said. Or you fall back to the Sola scriptura arguments. Always anything but face what the scriptures really say. Always anything but face the outright conflicts presented in the RCC claims. Black is white, up is down and true is false if the RCC clergy so declares.... That is not Christianity, it's blind subserviance to an agenda!