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To: saradippity
It seems,from the perspective of a Catholic, that non-Catholics are in unity only in their hostility and animus for the Catholic Church and I am quite sure that was not the great commission.You constantly demand proofs for everything and throw up some passage or another,frequently out of context to prove your point of the moment. But if you took the 191 times that Peter was mentioned,the duties and responsibilities he was charged with as well as the virtual totality of the times he was mentioned first you would recognize that you are missing a very clear message from Jesus. You might even be embarrassed because it is so scripturally clear in words and in space allocation that He established a visible Church and put someone in charge.
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My, are we defensive. This is a forum for discussion and independant thought. If you have a problem with this you could stick with the catechism or go to a Catholic Apologist forum.

You make a positive statement and all are expected to accept it without further discussion.

Here is another positive statement:

There is no Scriptural evidence that Jesus appointed Peter to anything but an Apostleship, nor that any Apostle was superior to another. The early Church Fathers are in agreement with this statement.

Consider this:
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424 Moved by the grace on the Holy Spirit and drawn by the Father, we believe in Jesus and confess: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." (Mat 16:16) On the rock of this faith confessed by St. Peter, Christ built his Church. (Mat 16:18, St Leo the Great - Sermo 4,3; Sermo 51,1; Sermo 62,2; Sermo 83,3 )

442 ... And in the synagogues immediately [Paul] proclaimed Jesus, saying, 'He is the Son of God.'" (Acts 9:12) From the beginning this acknowledgment of Christ's divine sonship will be the center of the apostolic faith, first professed by Peter as the Church's foundation. ( cf. 1 Thess 1:10, Jn 20:31; Mt 16:18)

Source: Catechism of the Catholic Church, published by Ligouri Publications, English translation copyright 1994 by the United States Catholic Conference, Inc.--Libreria Editrice Vaticana, bearing the Imprimi Potest of Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger, pages 106, 111-112.

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What does this imply to you as to what the Rock was?
150 posted on 10/11/2001 9:14:09 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
I am sorry that you never knew that the Catholic Church has always believed that the foundation of the Church was Christ. Did you think that we thought Peter came first and established a church and then invented Jesus as a vehicle to cart their personal philosophy to all nations?
154 posted on 10/11/2001 9:30:05 AM PDT by saradippity
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