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Beta Testing New Thread Layout

Posted on 10/10/2001 4:10:15 AM PDT by John Robinson

I'm testing a new thread layout. On latest posts, you will see a "beta" link for each article. Click it to read the article in the new thread style.

"Why fix it if it ain't broke?"

Well, it is broken, and it needs to be fixed. The old style Free Republic threads on average consumed 65 kilobytes per view. Multiply that by 600,000 articles served per day and that adds up to a big chunk of bandwidth.

I believe this new format will consume less resources. An eyeball estimate would put that average at about 15-20 kilobytes per view. You may have noticed how bandwidth starved Free Republic has been lately. It's been real slow during the morning. This new software, when fully implemented, should alleviate that problem.


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Excellent dude! Now if you could only speel check for me.
21 posted on 10/10/2001 4:57:50 AM PDT by McGruff
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To: John Robinson
I like the Replys feature. It would be helpful if you could put a different color of background when in replys "mode", like light blue or yellow?

22 posted on 10/10/2001 4:58:08 AM PDT by William Terrell
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To: John Robinson
Hey! Just noticed the differance between a "reply" and a "comment". That's nice!
23 posted on 10/10/2001 4:59:16 AM PDT by PogySailor
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BTTT
24 posted on 10/10/2001 5:00:36 AM PDT by ofMagog
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I love the beta format!

Clean and Mean!

25 posted on 10/10/2001 5:01:07 AM PDT by Politically Correct
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To: John Robinson
I STRONGLY believe, John,

that when the final tally is made regarding

earnest, tireless, heart-felt, sacrificial efforts for good, God and country in our era and spheres of influence--YOURS AND JIM'S WILL SHINE EXCEEDINGLY BRIGHTLY quite above and beyond that of 100's of millions of other people.

"They also serve who stand and wait."

AND YOU DO FAR MORE than standing and waiting. God alone knows the redemptive, FREEDOM FURTHERING actions your efforts have initiated and sustained. . . . and more coming online all the time. . . . perhaps most to remain unknown and unsung in this lifetime. Not everyone you enliven to action gets hereon and crows about it.

THANKS for keeping up the GREAT work.

26 posted on 10/10/2001 5:03:32 AM PDT by Quix
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To: John Robinson
Not bad. I could definitely get used to this. Some ideas for making it a bit easier on the eyes though...make the links on each message a darker blue like on the old style, and try making the heading of each message look different than the actual message itself, like bolded or with a different font.
27 posted on 10/10/2001 5:04:12 AM PDT by DallasJ7
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To: John Robinson
If it will save bandwidth, I'm all for it. The beta views are a bit disorienting, but I'm sure we'll get used to the change quickly. Kudos, Jim et al!
28 posted on 10/10/2001 5:07:12 AM PDT by LeeMcCoy
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To: William Terrell
Cool suggestion - Bump.
29 posted on 10/10/2001 5:09:12 AM PDT by alieno nomine
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To: backhoe
OK, that explains my "weird screen" this AM....

Really.......I thought perhaps FR was under attack by hackers.......

30 posted on 10/10/2001 5:09:55 AM PDT by He Rides A White Horse
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To: Jim
I love this. It's faster. Fast is good.
31 posted on 10/10/2001 5:18:47 AM PDT by Mrs. P
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To: John Robinson
Good jib, JimRob,
I hope you don't mind some feedback from someone else who does this 40-50 hours a week...

1. It's great that you have a link to the original posting being replied to. It helps keep track of ongoing conversations, jokes, etc. But - isn't it true that the moderator can yank specific postings? What happens when an intruder posts obnoxious post #3, someoen replies to #3, and the later #3 is yanked? (Just playing devil's advocate).

2. The pagination is very useful, but could probably be confusing. for example, on this thread I see: <<< 1 - 21 - 25 >>> After some playing with it, it seems like it's [page back] + [first page] + [second page] + ... [nth page] + [page forward], but it might be confusing. Since the link to +21 and #30 both go to the same page, I suggest not even including it - I can guarantee people will click on #21, read everything on the page, then click on #25 and wonder why they're still on the same page !! (I've seen it done).

3. While visually I kind of like the old style better (could just be change-aversion), I agree that threds can get pretty long. Keeping simple HTML seems like a good idea. With that in mind, I'd suggest not using tables to align stuff like tha date & "in reply to" right. It inceases the page size & Netscape is brutally slow painting up tables. While I liked the different font faces and styles in the old look, I think minimalism is the way to go. How about just using stylesheets to differentiate the header info form teh body of the post. WE who have good browsers will reap great rewards, and people with cheap old ones will suffer ;^)

4. Also, at the bottom of the page, it might help to separate the content & links asociaed with the last post from the global links - I remeber in my newby days clicking the wrong one a few times. Another thing I find myself doing quite often is refreching the page after reading the last post, in order to see what brilliant remarks come next - but then I have to find my place again. How about a link after the last post that reloads the page & anchors down to that lates post, so I can pick up where I left off? (Or is that why you have the last post as a link in the << 1 - 21 - 25 >>)

I'll leave you alone now - Keep up the great work !!!

32 posted on 10/10/2001 5:20:18 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: the crow; john robinson
This should be very helpful to those of us cursed with dial up modems.

this should be helpful to those of us with broadband!
good work John.... load speed is just like chevy horsepower - if more is better, too much is just right.

33 posted on 10/10/2001 5:21:19 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: PogySailor
I never knew the difference betweem "post reply" and "comment either" - so here's a learning test...
34 posted on 10/10/2001 5:24:36 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: John Robinson
i notice the beta strings only display the first 20 posts... is this a beta limit?
i'm using ie 5...
35 posted on 10/10/2001 5:26:41 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: John Robinson
By the way, "view replies" is great !!
36 posted on 10/10/2001 5:27:13 AM PDT by sanchmo
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To: John Robinson
It looks pretty goofy to me. The link colors need to be changed; there's just too much red all over the place.

Also, I think the in reply to #_ link should be on the left side of the page instead of waaaaay over on the right where you have it now.

And the format is just too broken up. Only 20 replys before having to link to another page? One of the best things about FR's format is the fact that we've never had to click from one page to the next in order to read a single thread. I'd really hate to lose that feature. I'd suggest at least 50 replies per thread before we're forced to click to a new page.

Just my humble whine.

37 posted on 10/10/2001 5:27:29 AM PDT by Sandy
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To: John Robinson
nevermind, just saw post #32. need coffee.
38 posted on 10/10/2001 5:28:13 AM PDT by glock rocks
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To: ABC123
Don't pick on JH2...he prepares the morning press brief for many of us....
39 posted on 10/10/2001 5:28:47 AM PDT by ken5050
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To: John Robinson; smith288
New FR style sheets now available

My unofficial FR Style Sheet website has just been updated with stylesheets for the new beta look.

Come have a look at a screen capture of FR's new look using JohnRob's own stylesheet. Install his stylesheet and you can see the beta threads the same way he does. Other updated combination style sheets now available.
40 posted on 10/10/2001 5:30:29 AM PDT by George W. Bush
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