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To: iranger
No need to dig deep. See my post #77 and another #104 for previously covered material:
841 The Churches relationship with the Muslims. "The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; those profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one, merciful God, mankind's judge on the last day,"

The Islamic belief in the virginity of Mary puts to shame the heretical beliefs of those who call themselves Christian, while denying the perpetual virginity of Mary. Make no mistake about it, there is a very special relationship between the Blessed Virgin Mary and the Moslems!

Acknowledging the Creator without a saving faith in Christ is entirely damnable:
Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well. The devils also believe -- and tremble.

Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved."

For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son, that all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth not the Son honoreth not the Father who hath sent Him.

I would actually have more respect for Rome if she had maintained her earlier position that as THE Church anybody outside of her could not obtain salvation. But, like so many things, she has revealed herself as a wide gateway. By taking the position that she has, she is essentially saying that membership in THE Church is unimportant.
239 posted on 10/16/2001 2:57:38 PM PDT by CCWoody
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To: CCWoody
"I would actually have more respect for Rome if she had maintained her earlier position that as THE Church anybody outside of her could not obtain salvation. But, like so many things, she has revealed herself as a wide gateway. By taking the position that she has, she is essentially saying that membership in THE Church is unimportant."

1) I don't thing your points are accurate. 2) I definitely know they aren't clear, concise, or coherent. 3) Even if the Catholics are all wet, its not that big of a deal to me. I've been wrong once or twice myself. As I said before, they are entitled to a few boneheaded moves. 4) On second thought, you might be right. I just read a story about Muslims attacking Christians throughout the Middle East. Apparently, they are only attacking non-Catholics. Those darn Catholics just can't be trusted.

306 posted on 10/17/2001 11:38:31 AM PDT by iranger
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