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To: anniegetyourgun
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk.
2 posted on 10/09/2001 6:39:16 AM PDT by Illbay
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To: Illbay
I knew it was a Christian site, but didn't know about any disinformation. Can you give an example of this? Thanks.
4 posted on 10/09/2001 6:42:39 AM PDT by Silly
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To: Illbay
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation.

Why don't you try this one then: No Christmas bells

or House of Lords Monday, 18th December 2000.

12 posted on 10/09/2001 6:53:32 AM PDT by Terriergal
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To: Illbay
" FREEPER WARNING: Illbay is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk. "
14 posted on 10/09/2001 6:57:32 AM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Illbay
This isn't new. Muslims beat, torture and kill Christians all over the world EVERY DAY. There are two people imprisoned in Afghanistan for, PREACHING CHRISTIANITY! If we did that in the US, we'd have 8 million Muslims in prison. (Which is starting to sound like a good idea) This is one more example of the loving and tolerant religion of Islam.
19 posted on 10/09/2001 7:01:21 AM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Illbay
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk.

FREEPER WARNING: Illbay can sit on freeper all day and night in order to spread dis-information.

QUESTION for Illbay? Do the checks come directly from the HAMAS, PLO, TALIBHAN?

32 posted on 10/09/2001 8:56:40 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: Illbay
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk.

FREEPER WARNING: Illbay can sit on freeper all day and night in order to spread dis-information.

QUESTION for Illbay? Do the checks come directly from the HAMAS, PLO, TALIBHAN?

33 posted on 10/09/2001 8:56:50 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: Illbay
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk.

FREEPER WARNING: Illbay can sit on freeper all day and night in order to spread dis-information.

QUESTION for Illbay? Do the checks come directly from the HAMAS, PLO, TALIBHAN?

34 posted on 10/09/2001 8:57:04 AM PDT by marxwas a loser
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To: Illbay
Have subscribed to Croswalk.com for a long time. I may not always agree with everything. But I didn't agree with everything my wife said either. But I never considered her or Crosswalk.com a source of disinformation.

Actually, Crosswalk.com has been a source of many uplifting and very informative things which have always proven out for me in one way or another. Much of what they forward comes from other sources considered reliable by a wide diversity of Christian sites and newsletters.

Of course, if one is religiously materialist to the nth degree, than virtually anything from a God respecting site could be viewed as disinformation.

Still, I was quite surprised to see such an allegation about a site that provides so much useful stuff.

37 posted on 10/09/2001 9:32:08 AM PDT by Quix
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To: Illbay
There is another website called "Voice of the Martyrs" at http://www.voiceofthemartyrs.com/ or http://persecution.com/ (both go to the same site). Their articles are very specific regarding dates, names, locations, etc. Some include photos such as the one below regarding this story:

Radical Muslims attack Christians in Indonesia
September 21, 2001


Churches like this one in Pasuruan, Indonesia are targeted for attack by radical Muslims


Just two days prior to Indonesian President Megawati Sukarnoputri’s Oval Office visit with President Bush, radical Muslims attacked Christian homes and churches in West Java.

According to VOM representatives, the attacks occurred at approximately 7:00 P.M. September 17th, 2001 at Klaksanaan village, Tasikmalaya subdistrict. 23 Christian houses were burned, and 58 Christian families are now homeless.

Two churches were burned in the attack: The Seventh Day Adventist Christian Church and Indonesia Pasundan Christian Church.

No one was killed or seriously injured in the rampage in Klaksanaan village, but fanatical Muslims in Indonesia reportedly have killed 10,000 Christians within the past two years.

“Violence against Christians in Indonesia has not subsided since the impeachment of former President Gus Dur Wahid this past summer,” said VOM spokesman Gary Lane. “ The incident this week in Klaksanan village proves that radical Muslims in Indonesia are motivated by more than just politics.”

VOM asks President Megawati to act decisively in assuring that the perpetrators of this attack and others against Indonesia’s Christian minority are brought to justice.

VOM continues to provide lifepacks and other relief to Christians left homeless at the hands of radical Muslims throughout Indonesia.

Pray for the Christian victims of this violence—that God would strengthen their faith in the midst of this persecution. Also, pray for Indonesian Muslims, that they may come to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ. Pray for forgiveness and reconciliation between Christians and Muslims. Pray that God’s peace will come to the Muluku Islands, to East and West Java—to all of Indonesia!

For more on persecution in Indonesia, sign up for VOM’s free monthly newsletter

here: FREE NEWSLETTER .

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Keywords: Java Churches burned Megawati Bush violence Muslims Christians West

If you go to www.persecution.com/news/ you can specify that you want to search on news relating to christians being persecuted in Pakistan. I didn't see anything related to this. Just FYI -

45 posted on 10/09/2001 10:10:22 AM PDT by Is2C
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To: Illbay
A search on the internet turned up this AP story:

Pakistani Christians Fear Attacks

Sept. 30, 2001 By MORT ROSENBLUM
AP Special Correspondent


Catholic mass in Pakistan
AP/Jerome Delay [13K]

QUETTA, Pakistan (AP) — Jammed into their unmarked old chapel, the small but fervent congregation of Sacred Heart Catholic Church prayed Sunday for America to defeat terror without creating Christian martyrs.

Since Sept. 11, Pakistani Christians say, hostility taints what was always tolerance. Many say close Muslim friends now keep their distance. And if any fighting starts over the border, many fear the worst.

``Every day we hear threats from Muslims,'' said a high school teacher who pleaded to be identified only as Anwar. ``Sometimes, we don't sleep. We are terrified that if they attack Afghanistan, we may be killed.''

Sabir Yaqoob, 28, who teaches physics at a different high school, believes that President Bush unleashed fury with an early reference to a ``crusade,'' which the White House later said was not meant to imply a religious war against Islam. The White House said Bush used the term in the sense of a ``broad cause'' and meant no offense.

``He said it, and that's enough.'' Yaqoob said. ``It is what the fundamentalists heard. Crusade means a clash between Muslims and Christians, and that is what we are all afraid of.''

His friend, Moussa Sadiq, 35, a phone company employee, broke in.

``Our old friends who used to eat with us, sit together morning and evening, they tell us they will attack us if there is fighting,'' he said. ``They will be the first to kill us.''

Sacred Heart is one of two Catholic churches in Quetta. There is also an Anglican church. Officially, Christians number 4 million in Pakistan, 3 percent of the population. Church groups say the total may be 8 million.

Although a heavy majority of Christians are in Punjab and Sindh, farther from Afghanistan where feelings run cooler, the fear seems widespread.

Yaqoob said he was surprised, and worried, at the sudden rise in tension. As a physics teacher, he knows all about the laws of action and reaction.

``We have always gotten along in Pakistan,'' he said. ``When I got married, Muslim friends came here to this same church. But once this thing starts to spread, who knows how it goes?''

If nothing triggers a violent outbreak, Yaqoob added, the tension might pass.

``I think 75 percent of Pakistanis hate terrorism and are against Osama bin Laden,'' he said. ``Only 20 percent maybe are fundamentalists. It is always the negative which makes the most noise.''

But, he added, any confrontation would likely polarize the two religions, with extremists using the occasion to rally support among the poorly educated masses.

For now, there is nothing close to panic, and opinions vary as to potential danger.

Lal Masih, at 70, might have fallen out of a Rudyard Kipling novel, with enormous white mustaches billowing out from under thick round glasses and a colorful skullcap.

Asked if was worried, he smiled and pointed a forefinger heavenwards.

Harrison John is 13 but looks younger, the son of a church official. He grinned and declared himself unafraid.

But S.M. Shafiq and Faved Hadayet, lab technicians, shared a different view. They heard continual threats. Neither had encountered any problems. But, both said, things might change in an instant.

``If America bombs Afghanistan,'' Shafiq said, ``anything could happen.''

Sacred Heart is reached behind a wooden gate with no sign on Jinnah Road in the center of Quetta. About 100 people can fit inside the simple church with a game attempt at vaulted ceilings.

Mass follows classic lines but is decidedly Pakistani. Lively hymns are accompanied by an accordion and bongo drums.

The faithful who line up for communion look no different from their Muslim countrymen. Women in modest headscarves stay to one side. Men wear knee-length loose shirts, baggy pants and sandals.

Father Eric Lakman, a Sri Lankan who is the priest at Sacred Heart, dates Catholicism in the Indian subcontinent back to the 6th century. He says the religion flourished from the time of Saint Matthew.

Under the British Raj, which lasted until 1947, Anglican congregations also grew.

In recent years, Father Eric said, Muslims and Christians have gotten along well in Pakistan. Today, however, he sees something new.

``Oh, definitely,'' he said, when asked if he felt extremists might attack Christians. ``If they attack, we'll be among the first martyrs.'' With a nervous laugh, he added: ``But we will not run anywhere.''

Click here for source.

53 posted on 10/09/2001 10:59:50 AM PDT by Is2C
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To: Illbay
FREEPER WARNING: Crosswalk.Com is a known source of disinformation. Read and ponder at your own risk.

Do you have any proof to back up your statement?

73 posted on 10/11/2001 10:07:32 PM PDT by RickyJ
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