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Brzezinski admits: Afghan Islamism Was Made in Washington Afghan Islamism Was Made in Washington
'Le Nouvel Observateur' (France) ^ | Jan 15-21, 1998 | Interview

Posted on 10/08/2001 1:57:12 PM PDT by Zviadist

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Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn't a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion.

Well, Brzezinski admits that Afghanistan I was a provokation to get the Sovs to play. Those little old Islamic extremists weren't going to hurt us... Can you say "BLOWBACK"?

Yet these scumbags never get called for the disater their policies produce. We keep going on blindly as if even recent history just didn't exist -- gone down the memory hole. And then we pat each other on the back and say how they bombed us because of how wonderful we are. People are STUPID!

1 posted on 10/08/2001 1:57:12 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: NewAmsterdam; medusa; Either/Or; ouroboros; anochka; CommiesOut

What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

2 posted on 10/08/2001 2:03:19 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Wallaby, Askel5. LSJohn
Brzezinski again.
3 posted on 10/08/2001 2:05:11 PM PDT by independentmind
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To: Zviadist
"Well, Brzezinski admits that Afghanistan I was a provokation to get the Sovs to play. Those little old Islamic extremists weren't going to hurt us... Can you say "BLOWBACK"?"

Blowback--the new bogeyman. My question is what will the blowback be on all of this willy-nilly speculation about blowback...

4 posted on 10/08/2001 2:07:45 PM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: independentmind

Brzezinski again.

Tsk tsk. And he seemed like such a nice fellow...

5 posted on 10/08/2001 2:09:14 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: independentmind
I really can't thank you enough for the flags.
6 posted on 10/08/2001 2:10:02 PM PDT by Askel5
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I think it's because Ziggy's got the most electrifying delivery of the In Crowd ... that's why he gets to give the scoop each time.

"Events in Kosovo" BRZEZINSKI SCOWCROFT LAVROV Interviews of 3/25/99


CHARLIE ROSE: We cannot, if I hear you correctly, fail here. Too much is at stake in terms of America's-- beyond the morality of the issue, but in terms of America's prestige and reputation and the credibility we have in the future. We cannot let this pass, and we cannot lose.

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: You're absolutely right.

I think this is the first really complex challenge to American global leadership. And, if we falter here, the consequences would be devastating -- in the first instance, for Europe; secondly, for the American-European relationship; thirdly, for our position in the world; and then, in a sense, more generally for the kind of world that we will be living in the next few years.

So, in a microcosm,
this is a real test case of what the world is about to be.

CHARLIE ROSE: So, if someone says to the president, ``Make the case why Kosovo is important,'' you say, ``This is a microcosm of the way the world is gonna be in the near future''?

ZBIGNIEW BRZEZINSKI: That is right.



7 posted on 10/08/2001 2:13:53 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: cicero's_son

Blowback--the new bogeyman. My question is what will the blowback be on all of this willy-nilly speculation about blowback..

Fine. Call it what you will. Call it the negative consequences of excessive meddling, call it typical American foreign policy simplism and provincialism. Whatever you call it, we are seeing the fruits of our labors some back to strike us and no one wants to talk about it -- the root cause of the current crisis. Only feelgood things like "they hate us because we are beautiful."

8 posted on 10/08/2001 2:14:38 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Zviadist
The problem isn't that the US supported the mujahaideen against the USSR. The problem is that the US continued to support them after 1991. The US started to support Islamic maniacs in Bosnia, Kosovo, Chechenya, Dagestan and Central Asia. The US government is probably the #1 supporter of Islamic fundamentalists.

http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO109C.html

9 posted on 10/08/2001 2:16:08 PM PDT by Marduk
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To: Zviadist
I see the angle. The WTC and Taleban has nothing to do with communists support of Iran, Saddam and Bin laden, it has nothing to do with communist support of Syria Lybia Arafat et al, it has to do with America. Last but not least, it has nothing to do with muslims and the muslim religion, it has to do with the CIA and America.

Ok guys, tin foil alert, since when the US has been a promoter of Islam, since when the US had a president praying the G_d Allah?

Again, Brzezinski is suffering from a mental illness induced by mental laziness. Someone has been thinking for him and he just repeats like a Parrot common communist staple because he is too lazy to think for himself. How obsene, how retarded!


10 posted on 10/08/2001 2:16:29 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Askel5
Do I have to take it that Brzezinski thinks the world will be a lawless place where criminals run the show whilst a powerless and corrupt but well-paid international nomenklatura will claim they, in fact, are working towards democracy and human rights? Sounds like a great place to be. By the way, does anyone know how the Kosovo stock-market closed today? My pension is tied up in AK47 Corp., CEO a certain Zbigniew.
11 posted on 10/08/2001 2:19:29 PM PDT by NewAmsterdam
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To: Zbig
Hi Zbig. Are you still a democrap?
12 posted on 10/08/2001 2:21:11 PM PDT by CommiesOut
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To: Zviadist
So you think Brzezniski should have fully foreseen that 20 years later Afghanistan would be taken over by a group of low rent, semi-literate Pakistani religious nuts who were financed by a complete mad man from Saudi Arabia with $300 Million at his disposal who became totally obsessed when US troops stepped on Saudi soil?

I guess those National Security Advisors should all carry a crystal ball and keep a hot line open to the Psychic Friends Network.

13 posted on 10/08/2001 2:22:34 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: Zviadist
I think that this is a little too much self-congratulation by Brzezinski. After all, the Soviets lost only 1/3 as many men in Afghanistan as we did in Vietnam. It is not clear how a failed military adventure could bring down an authoritarian regime.

Instead, I always thought that it was the internal contradictions of Communism, the inefficiencies of the system, and the inability of their economic system to both deliver commercial goods and compete with the Regan buildup that finally caused Gorbachev to pursue glasnost and peristroika.

So the US CIA initiatives in Afghanistan did produce the mujahideen and the Taliban -- but not the collapse of the Soviet Union.

Note that peristroika (and to some extent glasnost) have been adopted by the Chinese. They took this initiative without any Afghanistan episode as a cause. They just see the practical advantages of a market economic system. However, they did not make the mistake of imploding their political processes, which are needed intact to guide the economic change and avoid the Russian chaos. (Plus they did not enlist the assistance of Harvard economists!)

14 posted on 10/08/2001 2:24:12 PM PDT by Lessismore
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To: Zviadist

I fail to understand the utility in pointing out that human beings cannot see very far into the future. In 1979 Carter and Brzezinski viewed the Soviet Union as a greater threat to the U.S. than Afghan fundamentalism. I would have thought them insane had they not.

I'm tired of people 'blaming the dead' for decisions taken twenty years ago that had unforeseen consequences. That kind of smug hindsight is not only offensive, it serves no purpose. It's like watching evil laugh and dance.


15 posted on 10/08/2001 2:24:53 PM PDT by Nick Danger
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To: lavaroise
"since when the US has been a promoter of Islam,"

Have you forgotten 1999? That is the year when the US bombed Belgrade in the name of Islam.

16 posted on 10/08/2001 2:29:24 PM PDT by Marduk
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To: Zviadist
Brzenzinski gives his cookie cutter new world order analysis of the situation in Afghanistan:"Afghan Islamism Was Made in Washington," what a stupid comment.

What a bunch of leftist psycho babble. Can't any country take responsibility for its own state of affairs? Is the US really that powerful? If so, how come we haven't got bin Laden yet?

Answer: Yes, we have influence, but it is not Omnipotent, and it certainly wasn't of the nature to create Afghan Islamism. Yes, we provided war materials, but if your looking for a "spiritual" source for the Talbans ideology (outside of Afghanistan (but the roots were all ready there be sure)) look to the form of radical Wahbism that was imported by Saudi mujtahids, like Osama bin Laden...

17 posted on 10/08/2001 2:30:36 PM PDT by Heuristic Hiker
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To: Zviadist
Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire.

OH I get it...Jimmy Carter and Ziggy ended the cold war and defeated the Soviets. What a load of crap. Watch out Ziggy, you're going to break your arm patting your back like that.

18 posted on 10/08/2001 2:30:38 PM PDT by pgkdan
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To: Ditto

So you think Brzezniski should have fully foreseen that 20 years later Afghanistan would be taken over by a group of low rent, semi-literate Pakistani religious nuts who were financed by a complete mad man from Saudi Arabia with $300 Million at his disposal who became totally obsessed when US troops stepped on Saudi soil?

No, but it does put to lie the idea that American muddling and empire-building does not have consequences. Even 20 years later. That perhaps there was motivation beyond "they hate us because we are so noble and good and have such good fast food restaurants" that most Americans seem to feel so smug and snug believing.

19 posted on 10/08/2001 2:32:16 PM PDT by Zviadist
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To: Lessismore

Instead, I always thought that it was the internal contradictions of Communism, the inefficiencies of the system, and the inability of their economic system to both deliver commercial goods and compete with the Regan buildup that finally caused Gorbachev to pursue glasnost and peristroika.

I always thought it did not end at all, but rather just re-tooled the hammers and sickles into "capitalist" symbols and the old nomenklatura remained in all the positions they occupied before the "fall of communism," but were much better paid. Did they not?

20 posted on 10/08/2001 2:37:16 PM PDT by Zviadist
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