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To: HapaxLegamenon
"Scripture refers the Mary as the Mother of Our Savior. "

Yes, the mother of his earthly body, but not the mother of the part if him who is God, and who created us all. - God the Son, the Logos, created Mary, just as he created you and me; how could she be the mother of God the Son?

Mary is merely a human who was given the most blessed calling of any woman. - She is not God in any way. - She cannot 'interceed' for anyone, only Christ himself can do that.

82 posted on 10/07/2001 6:35:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
She is mother of the Savior. You might divide up the Lord, but Our Savior is ONE.

My post are meant for those who have passed Freshman Logic 101, and understands the supposition of words!

84 posted on 10/07/2001 6:39:45 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes, the mother of his earthly body, but not the mother of the part if him who is God, and who created us all. - God the Son, the Logos, created Mary, just as he created you and me; how could she be the mother of God the Son?

Judiasm rocks.

We only got one G-d. :o)

92 posted on 10/07/2001 6:47:43 PM PDT by Lazamataz
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To: editor-surveyor
Please, at least for the sake of discussion, grant me that I am a committed Christian with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior (which I do, and ALL committed Catholics do, even if they do not know or acknowledge evangelical Christian lingo.)

If I was suffering, I could and would ask you, a fellow committed Christian with a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior. Likewise you could ask me for prayer. Paul recommends we pray and intercede for one another. That is intercessrory prayer.

Now if I were visiting you in your home, and you asked me in earnest to pray for your affliction, I would indeed do so. I would take it before the Lord Jesus Christ in prayer that very day.

Does death hold any power over you? Does death hold any power of me?

No.

We are both alive in Christ.

If as I left your home, I was killed in an accident, I am still alive in Christ, a fellow brother in the Lord. That human death holds no power over me.

As I come before the throne of Jesus christ, still alive in Jesus christ just as I was on earth, and just as you are now still, will I forget the pleading of my brother in Christ?

No.

I will take your needs before the Lord in Heaven.

Furthermore, I am still alive in Christ. You are still alive in Christ. Death still holds no power over either of us.

Because we are both still "saints" alive in Christ, we can both still pray for each other.

Furthermore, since death holds NO POWER over either of us, we can both still be brothers in Christ, we can both still be in communion with each other and with Christ.

Part of that communion in Christ is a continuation of our intercession for one another. I can still intercede for you. You can STILL ask me to intercede for you for we are both still brothers in Christ for whom death holds no power. Since in Heaven I exist outside the space and time of earth, there is no time as we know it on earth. Our life there is purely a participation in the life of the Holy Trinity and a sharing in the Beatific vision.

So if you alone come to me to ask my intercession in Heaven, as we are both still alive in Christ, I will indeed hear and answer you.

Furthermore, if a billion Christians come to me for intercession, in Heaven, outside the space and time of earth, dwelling in ETERNITY, I will have ETERNITY to hear and answer ALL those billions of requests for intercession.

That is, simply put, the whole basis for asking for the intercessory prayer of Mary. In all the lines above, susbtitute Mary for me. It is simple, biblical, and fundamentally Christian.

122 posted on 10/07/2001 7:24:18 PM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: editor-surveyor
Yes, the mother of his earthly body, but not the mother of the part if him who is God, and who created us all. - God the Son, the Logos, created Mary, just as he created you and me; how could she be the mother of God the Son?

This is textbook example of the Christological heresy called Nestorianism, which was condemned at the Ecumenical Council of Ephesus in AD 431.

Mothers are not mothers of "parts" of persons, but mothers of persons, period. Jesus wasn't a person with a divine "part" and a human "part," but a person who united both a human nature and a divine nature in one divine person. This is what orthodox Christianity has always believed, both before and after the Reformation.

Catholic Mariology exists, in large part, to defend the truth of Christ's incarnation. If Mary is not the Mother of God, then Jesus is not really God. If Jesus is really God, then Mary is very properly called the "Mother of God". You don't have to take my word on that; Martin Luther defended it more eloquently than I can.

And, yes, it is absolutely true that God the Son created His own mother. There is mystery here, but no contradiction: mothers do not create their children, they cooperate with God in creating children.

129 posted on 10/07/2001 7:30:07 PM PDT by Campion
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