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To: Squire
I am not a "catholic baiter," and I am fully aware of the feckless futility of attempting to deconstruct the acumulated doctrine of any organized church.

I was addressing certain obvious errors that stand against God's Holy Word, the only irrefutable standard that we all have. - How those errors may, or may not relate to such doctrines is not for the outsider to address, since erroneous doctrine affects only the individual(s) holding said doctrine.

148 posted on 10/07/2001 7:52:57 PM PDT by editor-surveyor
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To: editor-surveyor
Lets see, does your bible say that it is the bible? Do you believe it is the bible simply becuase it says it is the bible? What did people living before your bible do for salvation, since you have said that it is only your bible which is the Word of God.
153 posted on 10/07/2001 8:03:26 PM PDT by HapaxLegamenon
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To: editor-surveyor
I was addressing certain obvious errors that stand against God's Holy Word, the only irrefutable standard that we all have.

Except that your refutations of those so-called "obvious errors" contradict the very same "irrefutable standard" you claim to believe!

Look, if you're trying to get me to take your word over the clear teachings of Jesus Christ -- as you do when you tell me that Mary is "dead" -- I'm not going to do it.

For that matter, if you're trying to get me to take your word over 15 centuries of clear teaching throughout Christendom on the meaning and significance of the Incarnation -- as you do when you try to tell me that Mary is not the Mother of God -- I'm not going to do that, either.

What it amounts to is trying to get me to believe that you are guided by the Holy Spirit, and nobody else is. That idea may appeal to your pride, but that's not much of an attraction for me.

156 posted on 10/07/2001 8:06:26 PM PDT by Campion
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To: editor-surveyor
I was addressing certain obvious errors that stand against God's Holy Word, the only irrefutable standard that we all have.

The doctrine of the perpetual sinlessness of the Holy Virgin Mary, is neither erroneous nor a contradiction of the Word of God. I understand that you profess reverence for the Word of God -- but your actions speak otherwise. Reverence for the Scriptures is hardly manifested by manipulating them to suit your ends, but that is precisely what you did when you extracted an out-of-context quote from Romans that had nothing to do with the point you were trying to make.

Think. The Scriptures (yes, even the KJV) did not fall fully formed from Heaven. They were inspired by God, but the CHURCH assembled them into the Bible, and is charged with their interpretation.

As for the sola Scriptura stuff, it's interesting that this concept is to be found nowhere in Scripture. It first appears in human history in the writings of Wyclif in the 14th Century. The irony of the position (aside from the fact that it isn't Scriptural) is that the Scriptures defined as inspired were so defined by the Catholic Church. Of course, any of those which contradicted the Protestant Reformers' positions on various issues were conveniently chucked from Protestant Bibles during the so-called Reformation, but the irony remains.

160 posted on 10/07/2001 8:14:12 PM PDT by Squire
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To: editor-surveyor
Your high view of the Bible would rival any Muslim's adoration of the Koran.

When I was reading your attacks on Mary, I wanted to know where you were coming from. I thought I might post to you about the Hypostatic Union, the title Theotokos, the heresy battles of the early Church, but that would be a waste of time I see. Too bad.

Your brand of Christianity strikes me as being extremely lonely and typical of a kind of me-and-Jesus thinking that undermines Jesus' prayer that we be one as a sign to the world. And it seems to elevate the Bible to place above the Holy Spirit guiding the Church into all truth through these two millennia.

I was addressing certain obvious errors that stand against God's Holy Word, the only irrefutable standard that we all have.

Mary is the Mother of God's Holy Word. If I were you I would be more careful in speaking about Jesus' Mother. You just shouldn't dis anybody's momma, and most especially the Mother of God.

189 posted on 10/07/2001 9:06:09 PM PDT by father_elijah
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