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To: D-fendr
I don't understand your question. Re-word.

Mind if I ask why you are asking these questions? Are you just curious, or what? They are good questions to ask, but I'm just wondering why you ask them.

18 posted on 10/07/2001 4:28:45 PM PDT by hopefulpilgrim
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To: hopefulpilgrim
re: "Yes, communication is possible without words....I do it all the time… I don't rule out… the Holy Spirit speaking to my spirit.

I understood this to refer to a personal experience of yours and was asking for you to describe this as best you could.

As to why I ask these kind of questions: In my opinion, we too often see religion as comprised of events in time/history, in terms of doctrine and theology, definitions and concepts and finite objective, even materialistic, objects and mental constructs. These then develop into debate topics with winners and losers, competitors. This is a discussion of religious topics, it is not productive religious discussion in that it encourages what separates and divides, encourages anger and jealousy.

What is forgotten, what is neglected in these debates is "relationship," our connection with the divine, our conscious contact with the presence of God/spirit. The metanoia, repentence, transformation, realization of the kingdom of God, if we see these things… this is more firmly in the realm of true spiritual growth, including but transcending material and mental knowing.

And here, doctrine, theology, our differences borne and hardened over centuries of argument, diminish, even disappear, in shared experience with our source, the love and compassion that transforms us in realizing our common suffering, our common longing for communion with the divine.

We cannot grow at the expense of another. To answer my own question of the purpose of these discussions: to be of use to each other in our growth toward realizing communion with God.

I understand the proper role of doctrine and discussion among religious folks of different views on these topics - I try to offer what I can sometimes there too. However, lately, I just think this particularly thread has strayed too far into an area of this that is harmful to its participants and others.

22 posted on 10/07/2001 5:12:08 PM PDT by D-fendr
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