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Is it History's `End' or `Clash of Civilizations?"
Miami Herald ^ | October 7, 2001 | Scott Shane

Posted on 10/07/2001 11:49:14 AM PDT by Sabertooth

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To: Sabertooth
Young man have always been vulnerable to the ranting of LUNATICS. We have seen in before many times. Japanese Kamikaze, Nazi Stormtroopers, Communist revolutionaries.

It is not new, and it does not make their cause right.

The willingness of stupid, deluded, brainwashed young men to die for their leader's cause is as old as mankind.

Unfortunatly , it will not go away any time soon.

41 posted on 10/07/2001 8:03:10 PM PDT by imperator2
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To: SJLKickdragon
LLAN-DDEUSANT is an admitted Nazi, don't pay him no mind. His only agenda is death to the Jews. Sometimes he is subtle, somtimes not.
42 posted on 10/07/2001 8:05:16 PM PDT by imperator2
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To: imperator2
Like Sorsum Corda? He got vaporized yesterday.

Three year member too.

43 posted on 10/07/2001 8:07:50 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
We are seeing the death throws of Islam, just as we saw the death throws of German and Japanese nationalism and Soviet communism in the last century (all finished off by the good ole US of A). A religion that espouses conversion by military conquest is doomed unless it can succeed at military conquest. They may hurt us, but they are definitely going to lose militarily, so the final outcome is a foregone conclusion.
44 posted on 10/07/2001 8:13:37 PM PDT by Clinton's a rapist
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"We are seeing the death throws of Islam, just as we saw the death throws of German and Japanese nationalism and Soviet communism in the last century (all finished off by the good ole US of A)."

Well, we didn't see their death throes until we acted. And it took years.

This is going to be a Crusade, if it is going to work at all. Long and bloody. And like the first Crusades, this is in response to jihad.

There was no Crusade before jihad.

And as long as there is Islam, there will be jihad.

I'm not sure folks get that yet.

45 posted on 10/07/2001 8:30:50 PM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: DoctorMichael
".......it is the end of the beginning".

Oh, I don't think so. We have only seen two of the four horsemen beginning to canter (war, death), and three is just leaving the gate (pestilence). What is the fourth? Famine? That's when we'll know it is the end of the beginning.

Hang in there, film at 11. Possibly of a red moon rising.

49 posted on 10/08/2001 1:49:53 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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To: LLAN-DDEUSANT
Just thought I'd mention that you are much more bonkers than I am, and I'm pretty nutso so that's saying a lot.

If you subscribe to the religious interpretation of history then you are "mired in history" and are aligning yourself with the crazy thinking people that are part of the problem.

50 posted on 10/08/2001 2:10:04 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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"Or is it the first major battle in a titanic ``clash of civilizations''?"

I would hardly call what the Taliban practices "civilization."

51 posted on 10/08/2001 2:13:32 AM PDT by Stingray
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To: Sabertooth
ZPG is not only based on a Malthusian lie, it's cultural suicide.

Nature abhors a vacuum.

Especially one in a uterus.

52 posted on 10/08/2001 2:15:56 AM PDT by patriciaruth
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I would hardly call what the Taliban practices "civilization."

Agreed... But that's the point.

They do.

And so does bin Laden and Hussein.

53 posted on 10/08/2001 2:17:21 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: patriciaruth
Hah!
54 posted on 10/08/2001 2:21:39 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth

"They do. And so does bin Laden and Hussein."

High time to show them - again - the terrible cost of their barbarity.

In the meantime, I was taking exception with the writer's use of the words "clash of civilizations."

When the same word "civilization" is used to describe both the U.S. (and by extension, "the west") and the uncivilized barbarians that perpetrated these acts of aggression, then there exists on the writer's part either a severe misunderstanding of that which constitues a "civilization," or it is a cynical attempt on his part to blur the distinctions that exist between the two and thus make us the moral equivalents of our enemies.

In either case, his repeated and inappropriate choice of language to describe what may more readily be called a "clash of cultures" or a "clash of civilization versus barbarism" tells me this writer is either terribly ignorant, or he has an axe to grind. Thus, his use of the language undermines what may otherwise be a perfectly reasonable premise.

 

55 posted on 10/08/2001 2:31:29 AM PDT by Stingray
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Italy's Berlusconi backs Western Civilization
56 posted on 10/08/2001 3:30:18 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: patriciaruth
"Oh, I don't think so. We have only seen two of the four horseman beginning to canter(war, death), and three is just leaving the gate (pestilence). What is the forth? Famine? That's when we'll know it is the end of the beginning."

Pestilence, how much more pestilence do you need? People starving all over the planet, natural disasters, and unnatural disasters, No, IMHO, the pestilence horsey has already galloped through and will continue until the end.

Now famine, the first thing people think of is literal food, however, read Amos 8:11, where God tells us the famine in the end times is not for bread and water, but hearing the words of the Lord. Look at the condition of our churches today, are they feeding the sheep? NO, they're starving the flocks.

In His Service.....

57 posted on 10/08/2001 5:23:04 AM PDT by SJLKickdragon
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To: Stingray
clash of civilization versus barbarism

ditto

60 posted on 10/08/2001 6:56:26 AM PDT by MrB
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