China Moves Forces into Afghanistan

DEBKA ^ | Oct. 6, 2001 | debka

[Star Traveler]

CAL, along with most FReepers, have had nothing but high praise for these networks over the years. You are so right.

Where have you been with the "liberal media complaints". High praise for CNN and the likes? Hmmmm..., I see where you're coming from now. I see why you've chosen to call yourself a Republican Wildcat... so wild that you've missed the "Republican" part....

[Clinton's a liar]

"Only in your own mind."

You obviously can't read either. I urge you to read this thread.

Are you employed by DEBKA? Affiliated with DEBKA? Is this a moneymaking scheme for you?

I didn't realize there were radical Islamist cells "near Portland."

Why do you refer to DEBKA as "we"?

[Clinton's a liar]

"CAL, along with most FReepers, have had nothing but high praise for these networks over the years. You are so right."

I can't speak for the "most FReepers," but as far as I'm concerned, you are a liar. Please reference where I've ever praised any of the outlets you list. I repeat: you are a liar.

The only broadcast news outlet I've ever praised is Fox News. They're the only network that has bother to report the Clinton corruption.

Liar.

[tallhappy]

The Communist Chinese have given just enough aid to lots of factions in order to stabilize Central Asia

Earlier you said they "don't dare" aid any Muslim group in Central Asia.

Now it is changed to they have given "just enough" aid....

I would ask how is giving Pakistan the technology to make their bomb either "just enough" aid or "stabilizing"?

The fact of the matter is that we should be basing troops in China as well as Uzbekistan and be able to use China for staging and be able to fly over and China should be participating as are Britian, France, Japan etc...

But the Communist regime is not doing so.

They have been nothing but obstructionist on this.

That is a very troubling fact and cannot be wished or explained away.

Perhaps they supplied us with significant information on the infrastructures of Afghanistan and Iraq, which they know well. That would be a positive.

I doubt the ChiComs are moving troops in the Afghanistan to fight the US (and how would they? Their small border is well away from Taliban controlled regions).

But they definitely are deployed in the region, all over their new western most frontier.

They may be surrupticiously moving some special forces around to gather intelligence on the US military. That is a goldmine for them to be so close.

They also would want to get any US or British military euquipment they could. Taliban has given it to them in the past.

Chinese troops are certainly there in the area in large numbers, monitoring the situation and ready for whatever action would be necessary.

Any country so close would be doing that. But the troubling aspect is that the communists have refused to participate and have acted in obstructionist manner.

[Republican Wildcat]

You are hilarious. You say we don't complain about it, then say we do. LOL. Keep at it. You are only making yourself look more and more foolish.

[Clinton's a liar]

I apologize for calling you a liar, RW. I missed the sarcasm in your post. Tense times, buddy.

Forgive me?

[Republican Wildcat]

Yes, of course, CAL. ;-) I'll try to remember a < / sarcasm > tag in the future.

[Clinton's a liar]

Thank you and hugs!

[SwankyC]

my sister told me she heard this on Foxnews

[MissAmericanPie]

From what I understand the Chinese have their own Muslim fundamentalists trying to carve out a piece of China for themselves. They are just has happy to see these radicals go as we are. From what I understand we have their unspoken support. They are moving into the area to wipe out and mop up their own radicals.

[Dog Gone]

There are any number of Israelis, and even their most loyal supporters here at FR, who would love to destroy any relationship between the US and arab countries. Debka never stops in its quest to post the "treachery" of even the moderate arab states in its attempt to polarize the Middle East situation into an "us vs. them" mentality.

I agree with you as to their ultimate aim, and I agree that it plays into the hands of arab extremists. But I don't think there is any question that a lot of Jews want to believe the garbage spewed from Debka. This thread is proof enough of that.

[dalebert]

Read it again. It does not make sense. China has also had muslim problems and is using this crisis to clean their own house.I heard on the radio today that a lot of Chinese public is cheering us on.

[537 Votes]

The ignorant one here -- appears to be you.

We'll know in a few days if this is true or not. If DEBKA is on the level, or turns out to be as unreliable as Larry Nichols and the Prophets of Y2K Doom, we'll remember from here on out.

[Thumper1960]

The Red Chinese, who regularly execute Muslims and Muslim extremists, would have little to gain from arming Muslims and giving them tactical war training. Those same fighters would undoubtedly turn against the aetheistic Chi-Coms in due course. Any short term advantage for the Reds would be offset by future trials.

[Thumper1960]

Excuse me?

Before you sling the epithet of "anti-semite", you'd best be sure of whom you're slandering. Your derogatory brings you no credibility and does a disservice to the cause of disagreeable debate.

I will expect an apology, either online or by FReepmail.

Failing to do so will indicate your instability and destroy your credibility.

[Constitutional Patriot]

"Ireland has moved 6,000 Leprechaun shock troops into Osama Bin Laden's shorts. "

I almost fell off my chair. That was the funniest thing I read all wekend...thanks!

P.S. USP in .45 kicks A$$ too!!

[boltfromblue]

In total agreement with your statements. Israelis who want us to fight their war against Palestine /Arab people run this DEBKA site, to drive a wedge between us. In congruence with Sharon who upped the ante by his paranoid complaints when Bush did not side with unfairness to Palestine and appreciated our Islamic allies, I believe Sharon is actually jealous (-: of our friendships, after nigh unto 55 years of one-sided support in arms and funds to Israel. Let's bring us back into balance, maybe even express our regret, as the U.N. has done, that Palestine was not given a state and all its land, I infer, after the break-up of the Ottoman Empire. Other examples of Israeli interference to incite a wholesale Mid-East war, nevermind that we lost far more than their 150 people, after Sharon incited this last year's fighting by his visit to the Temple Mount, with the intent to consider it their territory to build a 3rd Temple with no consideration for the Dome of the Rock:

September 18, 2001, 07:38 AM AMMAN (AFP) - Israeli tanks fired at a Jordanian company's US-financed construction site in the West Bank town of Jenin on Monday, wounding two Palestinians and causing heavy damage, the company said. "The worksite, where Jordanian flags are clearly visible, was shelled by Israeli tanks for almost 20 minutes," Luay Omaish, a vice president of Site Group, told AFP. 
The firm carries out hydraulic projects in the West Bank financed by the US Agency for International Development (USAID). 
"Eighteen workers were at the site, which is surrounded by barbed wire, when the shelling took place. They (the Israelis) fired directly at the caravans and the equipment," charged Omaish, who is based in Amman.

And today they sent a few missiles into Lebanon. Six times more Palestinians have been killed than Israelis. We should have seen whether No. Africa where Jews came from would accept them and if not, as they are really a mixed race, they could have lived anywhere as other people do, unaffiliated with a state.

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[aaaDOC]

Still more on DEBKA.

This is getting rather interesting.

Found at:
http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news2001/oct01/oct01/3_wed/news2wednesday.html For the real skinny on the Afghan story Debka.com, news unfiltered and from the front

By Jeff Bercovici

War is always hell, and a hell of a story, but as the old cliché goes, truth is always the first casualty of any war.
   A government with any sense knows that information of value to citizens is of no less value to the enemy, and for that reason great energy goes into misleading the press. Where the press cannot be misled, it often agrees to simply not publish what it knows, out of patriotism.
   So how do you find out what's really going on in the U.S.'s mounting war against Osama bin Laden and his ilk hiding out in Afghanistan and other terrorist-protecting countries, especially now that the Bush White House has made clear its intent to cook the news?
   You might turn to where a lot of journalists are turning, Debka.com.
   Started by two Israeli journalists, both longtime veterans of international and military reporting, Debka is news for people who want more than just the official version of what's going on over there, wherever "there" may be.
   Debka's motto: "We start where the media stop."
   "We're not saying that the media are no good," says Diane Shalem, editor of the English version of Debka’s newsletter and web site. (There’s also a Hebrew version.)
   "We're just saying we can take it a bit further. Because we're independent and self-supporting, we don't owe anybody anything. We're free to cover a story in greater depth and greater breadth."
   Consider this: USA Today caused a minor flap when it reported on Friday that U.S. and British special forces troops were in Afghanistan scouting the terrain and searching for Osama bin Laden.
   Critics charged that the paper was endangering friendly forces by alerting enemies to their presence.
    Debka had reported the same thing days earlier, while going a step further, reporting that German commandos were involved in the operation and that Russian intelligence officers were acting as guides for allied forces.
    Giora Shamis, editor in chief of Debka, says he's confident that he's not providing enemies of the U.S. with any useful tactical information.
    "We're not giving specific locations where there are troop movements or where there are targets," says Shamis, noting that the commando insertions had also been reported in the Pakistani press.
   "We're just establishing the fact that there are American soldiers in Afghanistan. It's very simple: The other side knows exactly where they are and they are watching their movements."
   When Debka has had information that threatens to endanger people, it has not published it, he says.
   "We figured that the ordinary reader is very much underrated," says Shalem, who is Shamis’ wife as well as his colleague. "He's entitled to know what the opposition knows."
   Like much of what has unfolded over the past two weeks, many of Debka's dispatches read like excerpts from a technothriller, and the occasionally florid language adds to the effect.
   A recent article described how, two days before the terrorist attacks on New York and Washington D.C., bin Laden dispatched messengers to alert more than 100,000 followers in madrassahs, or religious schools, in Afghanistan and Pakistan.
    "These schools are not colleges in the Western sense, but training and indoctrination academies breeding militant zealots for battle and self-sacrifice," reads the report.
    Shamis and Shalem say they have a big advantage in covering the current conflict, as they have been reporting on the world's hot spots for years and have maintained many of their contacts and sources from the days of the Cold War.
    Both are former reporters for The Economist, and Shamis covered the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan for Foreign Report.
   "We have been following Osama bin Laden since he appeared on the Pakistani or Afghan platform," says Shamis. "We know more or less exactly what we're talking about."
   Shamis and Shalem work in Jerusalem, and Debka devotes plenty of coverage to the Palestinian intifada and Israel's response.
   Reading the coverage, one detects a certain amount of sympathy for Israel, suspicion of Yasser Arafat and Palestinian authorities, and concern about U.S. attempts to strengthen alliances in the Arab Middle East.
   Debka’s editors acknowledge that they are not neutral in all matters but say they don't allow their allegiances to affect their reporting.
   "We're Israelis and we're open about that," says Shalem. "But we don't represent any government official or political party line."
   Shamis says Debka has Palestinian readers, and some of them occasionally write in to complain, when for instance, Palestinians are described as terrorists.
   "They don't like what we write but none of them say it's not true," he says.
   Debka has readers in 96 countries, most of them concentrated in the U.S. and Israel, but others coming from far-flung nations including Saudi Arabia and Mongolia. Many of them are military or intelligence officers, say the editors.
   Not surprisingly, Shamis says there has been a massive surge of interest since Sept. 11, with the number of visitors to the site more than doubling to 100,000 per day and subscriptions to the newsletter increasing accordingly.
   Traffic from one country even grew by an amazing 400 percent. That country was Afghanistan.
   "After the attack, our single Afghan reader disappeared for three days," says Shamis. "After that we were getting five visitors per day."

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