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US may expel Briton widowed by bin Laden (A FREEPER CALL TO ARMS)
The Daily Telegraph ^ | October 7, 2001 | Charles Laurence

Posted on 10/07/2001 2:42:39 AM PDT by MadIvan

A BRITISH mother widowed by the World Trade Centre terrorism is being threatened with deportation from America as an illegal alien.

Deena Gilbey, 37, lost her husband, Paul, in the inferno of the south tower on September 11, and with him, according to the Immigration and Naturalisation Service, she lost her right to live in the United States.

The couple, from Southend-on Sea, Essex, had two sons, Maxwell, seven, and Mason, three, who were born in America and so are American citizens.

But Mrs Gilbey's legal status in the country was as a "dependent" on her husband's work visa, and since his visa expired on his death she is automatically declared illegal.

According to the immigration officers' rulebook, the boys can stay, but she must go. Just days after her husband's death she was sent an official notice warning her that her right to live in America was to be withdrawn.

Before receiving the letter, Mrs Gilbey had rung the immigration service to check on her status, only to be told: "You have none . . . regardless of the circumstances, you are an illegal alien."

"My husband was murdered in this country, his remains are still there somewhere at Ground Zero, and now the US government is killing us all over again," said a shocked Mrs Gilbey yesterday.

On Friday, the family was dealt another astonishing blow when a probate lawyer told Mrs Gilbey that, because she has no status as either a citizen or official Green Card immigrant, the Internal Revenue Service will take 60 per cent of her husband's life insurance in tax. If she had been American, she would pay no tax on her husband's estate.

It threatens her plans to stay in the house in Chatham Township in the green belt suburbs of New Jersey which the couple bought soon after coming to America eight years ago. After the taxman has taken 60 per cent, she would be unable to pay off the mortgage.

Mrs Gilbey said: "The little boys are traumatised and now they want to take our home from us. We did things properly, so if something happened to Paul I could bring up the kids in our own home, and now it is going to be impossible to do that. What are they thinking?"

The story has outraged the local community, however, and there is hope for the family in a campaign that is demanding that Washington confers instant citizenship on Mrs Gilbey, even if that means passing a law on Capitol Hill.

Chatham's police chief George Kurzenknabe has even promised that he "will barricade the house" if immigration officials dare to approach with a deportation warrant, while the chief of the suburb's volunteer fire brigade has offered to "sit on the porch with a rifle".

"I think we can say that, in these circumstances, the American people will simply not allow anyone, including our own government, to disturb or harass Mrs Gilbey in any way.

"This is a widow who is a beloved member of our community who has not transgressed in any way at all, and if the letter of the law is wrong, it is the letter of the law that will go," said Det Sgt George Petersen.

Mr Petersen has taken on the task of guiding Mrs Gilbey through the immigration maze, escorting her to meetings with INS officers. They discovered that the problem comes down to a delay in the couple's application for Green Card status - because the immigration service office in Newark, New Jersey, lost a sheaf of papers.

"But there is no provision in the law for any safeguard in a situation like this, and technically Mrs Gilbey has become an illegal alien. So the chief went to our local senators and made clear to them that he expects them to put a bill through Congress if that is what it takes," said Mr Petersen.

Last night, as America drew the blinds for the Columbus Day holiday weekend, it was unclear whether Senators Bob Torricelli and Jon Corzine of New Jersey were writing a bill for citizenship for Mrs Gilbey and any other affected widow, or whether it was a bill simply to delay deportation and allow an "illegal alien" to stay while legal processes are exhausted. Technically, Mrs Gilbey could be arrested and held in an INS detention centre.

"The people here are absolutely wonderful, but the government is another story," said Mrs Gilbey. Her family and friends have come up with another solution: they are calling for Mr Blair, the Prime Minister, to intervene directly with President Bush.

"Mr Blair and us Brits have stepped up to the plate for America, and now it is time for the President to step up to the plate for a Brit who is in a terrible position for no fault of her own," said Mrs Gilbey's mother, Mrs Berrynice Gould, who has flown to New Jersey to support her daughter.

The Gilbeys came to New York when Mr Gilbey, who was 39, was transferred to Wall Street by the London brokerage he worked for. That company began the routine paperwork of sponsoring the Gilbeys for a Green Card, or "permanent resident alien" status.

But after a year, Mr Gilbey transferred to a new job with EuroBrokers, which meant that the Green Card application had to be restarted from scratch.

The new job took him to offices on the 84th floor of the south tower of the World Trade Centre, and he was at work when the first jet struck the north tower. He telephoned Mrs Gilbey, told her that he was safe and she urged him to "go, go, go".

He had started to evacuate the tower before the second aircraft had struck and was told by security guards that there was no threat to their offices and to return to work.

"Survivors have told me that Paul made it to the 74th floor, where the lifts were still working. There, with a friend, he helped get women and people in wheelchairs into the lifts, holding back himself and other men. He insisted that women and children get to safety first: Paul did the right thing, and this is the reward for his family."

Mrs Gilbey believes that he must have returned to his office, where he would have taken a direct hit from the second aircraft.

"We were friends since I was 14 years old, and I am lucky to have had Paul for so long. And I know he is safe and at peace where he is. But I am heartbroken for the boys and I want to be able to give them hope. They look into my face for hope, and what they see is fear because of this."


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To: ELS
ELS....

I often am amazed at the excess bile that is spewed here on FR, in the guise of "debate and discussion". Most of these people would not be welcomed in open society where they would be known for their character that is so obnoxious and arrogant. Here where they may remain hidden and out of sight their true nature is revealed...

201 posted on 10/07/2001 8:17:49 AM PDT by cynicom
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To: D Joyce
If our great "lawgivers" had an ounce of common sense, they would make a provision that children born in this country, of foreign born parents living here legally, would attain US citizenship upon reaching the age of majority. Otherwise, the child assumes the nationality of the parent. Those here illegally would be treated as illegal aliens, deported and denied the right to legally immigrate at any future time.

I agree.
If this provision of our Constitution is ever to be clarified and repaired, now is the time; clearly and unambiguously so.
I just can't help wondering if it can be so clearly seen by most of us, why are our lawmakers oblivious to the problem?

The laxity of INS enforcement is a clear and significant contributor to making the Mass Murder at the World Trade Center possible.
I believe criminal negligence and incompetence charges should be pursued against a whole lot of bureaucrats and administrators, with serious jail time.

202 posted on 10/07/2001 8:18:02 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: MadIvan
Do NOT start with anti-British disinformation on this thread.

It's not anti-British,it's factual. You may have the word "citizen" on your passport now,but you are STILL a "subject".

BTW,I ain't knocking you on this,merely observing. The sad truth is I think the majority of Americans would be perfectly happy being subjects. Or at least happier than they are now as citizens.

203 posted on 10/07/2001 8:19:12 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: sneakypete
It's not anti-British,it's factual. You may have the word "citizen" on your passport now,but you are STILL a "subject".

No. Why don't you try and LISTEN before you post something. British subjects became British citizens in the 1980's.

Furthermore, idiots like yourself often assume that the word "subject" means we have to do what the Queen tells us, which is entirely untrue.

If you want to stop "knocking" then actually think and read before you post.

Ivan
205 posted on 10/07/2001 8:22:23 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: innocentbystander
Are you afraid of the subject? Most people are.

You're missing the point. Racism is not the subject of this thread. Bureaucratic mismanagement is. If you want to discuss race, that's fine, but this is not the subject of this topic, rather it is a tangent that you and you alone wish to embark on.

Not everything in this life can be traced back to racism. I'm sorry if that simple truth offends your sensibilities, but it is the case.

Ivan
206 posted on 10/07/2001 8:24:15 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: Sandy; MadIvan
THANK YOU for the bump. Some contacts -

Sean Hannity

Rush Limbaugh

Sen Jon Corzine's comment page

Sen Robt Torricelli's comment page

Congressional Email Directory

Steve Malzberg (local ABC radio)

207 posted on 10/07/2001 8:25:23 AM PDT by agrace
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To: Greybird
When FReepers who otherwise oppose ALL immigration -- that's about 90 percent -- show the same solicitude about someone who's in the same situation, but who's Mexican, then I'll know that hypocrisy is not being practiced.

My first impulse is to respond to this message as if it were serious and meaningful.

Nah.
Your basic premise, that most of us are against all immigration is condescending and... well stupid.
I can't help wondering what kind of idiot you must be, to judge us all by the few nuts who are allowed to post.

On second thought, that explains it...

208 posted on 10/07/2001 8:25:56 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: cynicom
It was not a failure on their part. That is not explained here.

To be honest,there was never much doubt in my mind about this. I have legal immigrant friends from Russia,and I've seen the hoops the INS has made them jump through,and losing their paperwork seems to be a favorite. One of my best friends is from Holland,and has been living here in the US for over 20 years now as a "permanent resident alien" under his Green (blue) Card.

Nope,the point I keep TRYING to make is that she IS a illegal alien,and she has known this for a while and ignored it. She had plenty of time to submit more paperwork before this happened,and didn't do so. I'm not saying I blame her because who could have predicted something like this would happen to any one individual? She had every reason to believe she and her husband would live here peacefully until he retired or transfered back to England.

I'm 100% with the people who say she should be IMMEDIATELY issued her "Green Card",but I ain't going along with the calls to make her a "instant citizen".

209 posted on 10/07/2001 8:27:55 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: Mr.E
It's them that plays by the rules that gets nicked!

I am outraged. I pledge to do my best to rattle all the cages I can and I'll put my money where my mouth is, too.

(& God bless Britain!)

210 posted on 10/07/2001 8:29:08 AM PDT by a merkin
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To: MadIvan
Let's disband the damned INS. They do no good and if they were disbanded, at least they could do no harm.

The INS was a total and complete failure at protecting our borders. The INS are total and complete failures at protecting us from foreign terrorists entering the country. The INS are total and complete failures as human beings in the wake to this dsaster.

So9

212 posted on 10/07/2001 8:31:16 AM PDT by Servant of the Nine
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To: Bad~Rodeo
Sounds like you married an Asian...

Just out of curiousity,how did you determine that his wife was Asian?

which is FINE by me, BUT....s~

That's awful white of you.

214 posted on 10/07/2001 8:33:35 AM PDT by sneakypete
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To: BigWaveBetty,MadIvan
These slimely murderer's run around country with expired visa and what not and they get no escort out of our country.

I agree BWB. What can we do MadIvan, anyone? Any ideas?

215 posted on 10/07/2001 8:33:39 AM PDT by Teacup
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To: sneakypete
"I'm 100% with the people who say she should be IMMEDIATELY issued her "Green Card",but I ain't going along with the calls to make her a "instant citizen". "

It appears we're in agreement then. I hadn't seen that anyone was calling for her to be made a citizen. Just allowed to stay without being kicked out immediately over some lost paperwork. I don't think anyone is made an "instant" citizen. There is a five year PR status requirement and of course the test and the oath at the end of that.

216 posted on 10/07/2001 8:35:30 AM PDT by a_federalist
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To: Teacup
I agree BWB. What can we do MadIvan, anyone? Any ideas?

Bascially make the media and the government's life a living hell until the INS is FORCED to back off.

That would be my suggestion.

Best Regards, Ivan
217 posted on 10/07/2001 8:36:33 AM PDT by MadIvan
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To: MadIvan
This is a real outrage. There are a lot of other people the INS should be worried about deporting. Although I'm certain that ultimately she'll be able to stay--at the very least, let's let Bush know about it, he'll be furious too--it's outrageous that she should be being put through this pain.
anyone post email addresses of congressmen so we can write them about it?
218 posted on 10/07/2001 8:36:39 AM PDT by proud American in Canada
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To: one_particular_harbour
I am utterly speechless - first they f*** up royally, and then they pick on the EASY targets trying to look effective.

BIG BUMP!

Bears repeating, since this is the way our incompetent bloated bureaucracy perverts every well-meaning law:

Go after the easy target, (law-abiding citizens) and avoid like the plague pursuing the very criminals that the law was intended to catch!.
That would be real work and actually dangerous.

Arrogant, cowardly, controlling moronic losers with Napoleonic delusions just begins to describe these incompetents.

219 posted on 10/07/2001 8:36:48 AM PDT by Publius6961
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To: Servant of the Nine,all
Why wasn't she a citizen? Why did they prepare well to live where they could raise their kids if something happened and overlooked her problem? Lots of questions here folks.
220 posted on 10/07/2001 8:36:49 AM PDT by vmatt
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