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To: MississippiMan; 2sheep; babylonian; etc
>>>Quick question: I'm working on a novel and need to know what you think would be the single most definitive verse or brief passage that supports a pre-tribulation Rapture? I know there's a verse that does such but can't seem to find it at the moment.<<<

In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

2 posted on 10/06/2001 2:48:51 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal
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To: Thinkin' Gal
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Sorry, gal. You lost me on that one. Put your point in plain English for me please.

MM

5 posted on 10/06/2001 2:56:38 PM PDT by MississippiMan
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To: Thinkin' Gal
In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.

Let me get this straight...

If I can get two or one more witness, then every word is established?

If I get one more witness that God has spoken to me, then it is "established?" What is up with that?

6 posted on 10/06/2001 2:58:35 PM PDT by don-o
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To: Thinkin' Gal
"...two or three witnesses..."

With all due respect, these words, to be correctly understood must be understood within the given context. The context in this case (and most OT references to "two or three witnesses")is church discipline, regarding a brother who is in sin.

"Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. But if he will not hear [thee, then] take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established." Mat 18:15,16

"For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them." Mat. 18:20

Although Jesus wouldn't be present in His flesh to discipline a sinning brother, two or three Spirit filled brethren would adequately be representing Him, as though Jesus was standing right there in the flesh, because His Spirit rested, in His power (Mat.28:18-20; Acts 1:8), upon their flesh. Regarding the rapture question, I might suggest a book by the same title by Woolvard..."THE RAPTURE QUESTION".

baa

34 posted on 10/06/2001 4:20:17 PM PDT by woollyone
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To: Thinkin' Gal;Mrs Mark;babylonian;exodus;lightstream;Myneself;Proverbs2;TrueBeliever9;sirgawain
While people discuss the false doctrine of Pre-Trib Rapture, an innocent woman in Montana IS in tribulation.

MT: Ruth Christine gives birth While Handcuffed; nurses weep

America the la la land.  Pre-Tribbers should have been outta here by now!

60 posted on 10/06/2001 6:15:34 PM PDT by 2sheep
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To: Thinkin' Gal
Have you checked out www.cjf.org yet?
99 posted on 10/07/2001 5:50:34 AM PDT by marbren
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