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To: Clifdo, Cvengr & All
Have you guys ever read Matthew 24? The apostles asked Jesus when He would return, and what the signs of His coming would be. After giving them a number of warnings, and signposts to look for, He answers their question beginning in verse 29: "Immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken. (30) And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven; and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. (31)And He shall send His angels with the great sound of a trumpet (could this be THE LAST TRUMP the Bible speaks of?) and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other". There's the answer to the rapture question. (Please note the word, "after").

Now, according to what you believe, Jesus should have said, "Well guys, I was planning to come after the tribulation, at the last trump, but some of you will go whoring after a bunch of lies and false doctrines, so I'm gonna be forced to change my plans slightly and sneak in before the tribulation starts and take the wimpy ones out. Of course, I will have to make Myself invisible in order to do this, so nobody will see me do it. And there is going to be a problem because when I load these wimps on the early shuttle, cars will go out of control on the freeway, and planes flown by Christian pilots will crash all over the planet, and a lot of people will vanish before the eyes of others, and there's going to be lots of evidence that I have sneaked in and pulled a fast one, so at present I don't really have a definitive plan. Can I get back to you on this?"

For the life of me, I can't figure out just what it is about Matthew 24 that some people don't understand.

103 posted on 10/07/2001 8:03:31 AM PDT by babylonian
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To: babylonian
LOL

It's really very simple. Mt. 24 doesn't say what we would like it to say. Some of us accept that, and some develop elaborate schemes to wriggle around it.

I have a Scofield reference Bible - probably the worst that has ever been made - and it is really interesting. He constantly dodges and evades passages indicating that the Church will see the tribulation, based on the "fact" that we "know" the pre-trib rapture is true. He never does point out the passage that gives him such confidence. I guess if you're certain enough about your doctrine, you don't really need any scriptural support.

106 posted on 10/07/2001 8:33:25 AM PDT by watchin
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