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To: Uriel1975
When a Roman Catholic or Eastern Orthodox believer claims that Infant Baptism itself regenerates the subject, then Bible Christians (whether Baptists or Presbyterians) certainly ought to attack that -- they have made Salvation a matter of Works.

What utter garbage.

No Catholic or Orthodox believes anything remotely like this. If you would stop believing what your Protestant teachers say about us, and actually READ what Catholics and Orthodox believe IN THEIR OWN WORDS, you would do yourselves an immense service.

Fact: It is Catholic dogma that Christ is the priest in every Sacrament. The ordained minister is there as his visible representative, but it is Christ the High Priest who sanctifies through the human priest, and the form and matter of the sacrament.

Fact: It is Catholic dogma that it is God's grace -- the Divine Life of the Trinity -- which regenerates, not "infant baptism itself".

Fact: It is Catholic dogma that God is perfectly free to act outside the sacraments. He is free to declare anyone, anywhere, regenerated and justified at his sovereign pleasure.

Fact: Scripture directly calls baptism "the washing of regeneration" (Titus 3:5) and says that all who are baptized into Christ have put on Christ (Gal 3:27). If that doesn't mean that baptism regenerates, not "by itself," but as an invocation, by the Church of Christ, of the mercy of God upon the baptizand, I don't know what it means.

You guys must think Catholics are absolutely stupid and Biblically illiterate as well, to seriously post garbage like this. Au contraire, mon frere!

48 posted on 10/06/2001 4:31:23 PM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
you ask if 'you think that Catholics are ...Biblically illiterate' and then cite Titus 3:5 as proof for baptism! The word 'baptism' is nowhere around the passage!

The passage reads, not by works of righteousness which we have done,but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit

Where do you see water baptism?

I do see an antiCatholic passage that states that you are not saved by works of righteousness which we have done!

Baptism in the Roman Church is to remove Original sin so the infant will not go to 'limbo'. Where is that in scripture?

Even so, come Lord Jesus

106 posted on 10/07/2001 10:36:09 PM PDT by fortheDeclaration
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