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To: RobbyS
Let's face it, Havoc: Like Pope Criswell you are not willing to accept as evidence anything outside the New Testament, especially if that conflicts with your rendering of the New Testament.

Let's face it Robby, I won't accept it if it conflicts with the 66 books of the Bible. I won't accept it unless there is reliable basis on which to consider it weighty. It's called scientific method. Do you know how knitpicky egyptologists are - My pickiness pales in comparison. If you can't get it past me, it's no wonder you can't get it past many of them. I think they enjoyed as much as any the new find of Sainai in Saudi some time ago - noting that the RCC had officially id'd another site ages ago on pretty much no evidence. The Saudis have gated the site of the real deal. But, we should just take ya'lls scholarly word for it all - right. How many other sites have been Id'd by the RCC on as little evidence. It's not like this is something no one knows about. I have an older brother that was over there and visited the site - brought back all kind of pictures. He's not a Christian, and I can't tell you what he said when he realized what ya'll were doing with the site. But see, the RCC called it the 'traditional' site. That is to say, hold it up as solid because it's tradition, then quietly back away and say 'well we had it on reliable information..' after the fact. It's solid because it's tradition; but it's not your fault because it's tradition. See how that works? Make it up as you go, apply a word and you have a perfect scape goat when the eggs start flying. BTW, there's still some on the face over that one - among others.

You see, I do know what goes on. I make it my business. And I'm smart enough to see when things just don't add up. Smart enough to see that all through the period that Paul is in Jail, there are Major names in the early church brought in by the Apostles that are in and out of Rome regularly visiting Paul without any problem. How is it that Peter would have to hide? If everyone else save for Paul can come and go as they please without any trouble whatsoever, why is Peter apparently the only one that needs to Hide to be there? I mean, I know he was in Babylon because He said as much. I just don't understand your hokey story about him having to Hide. The Neroan persecutions didn't have a long term affect on visitors to Paul.

I know you have no answers. Because you have no evidence of any of it either. Not a single letter found written from Rome from Peter. Not a single epistle, Not a Gospel. Not a shopping list, a home address. Not a letter of invitation. No name on a census. No tax ledger bearing his name. No first hand stories of his actions and deeds there (other than forged ones). None of the others writing of his presence there or acknowledging a trip there. No, the people we hear from come from the second century well after he died. How do they know anything - hearsay or somebody made it up - who knows. They sure as heck don't know it first hand.

97 posted on 10/06/2001 1:16:08 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
The majority of scholars believe that most of the New Testament was written between 70 and 95. But if you choose to set an earlier date, the fact remains that the chronology of the New Testament is a matter of guess work. We are dealing with a cross work puzzle in which essential pieces are missing, because, except for Acts, no one was writing Church history. If you refuse to admit outside sources, you have what amounts an unfounded speculation. But the tradition about Peter being in Rome does not contradict the New Testament since the New Testament never says that he never went to Rome.
104 posted on 10/06/2001 2:23:01 PM PDT by RobbyS
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