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To: dignan3
LOL. Right. I offered it as theory, stated it as theory - not fact. Offered up the argument, and once again, you guys can attack and present no facts to back up your story. And you cannot discount the theory I presented. So the line is attack me to make me seem unreasonable and withdraw smuggly uttering the same nonsense in absence of argument or evidence. You guys are full of claims and have no answers to the questions arrising from the claims. And you can only produce unproven hearsay. No Church was founded on Peter. And Peter didn't go to Rome.

I'll accept anything you can produce that has some weight to it - proven in other words. I don't blindly accept anything. And if I find it to be in error, out it goes. I know I wasn't taught wrong. Who taught you?

100 posted on 10/06/2001 1:29:06 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Rauch byeth, SoothingDave, JHavard, Havoc, pegleg, Steven, Iowegien, The808bass, AguyA
I have a little test here. Just want to see who sees what going on here. I'm Going to post the Scripture as scripture. I would like everyone to comment if they would which may draw out what I'm getting at. If it doesn't come out, I'll present my point.

layout as follows: top line KJV. Second line NIV.

[1] Rebuke not an elder, but entreat him as a father; and the younger men as bretheren;
[1] Do not rebuke an older man harshly, but exhort him as if he were your father. Treat younger men as brothers

[2] The elder women as mothers; the younger as sisters with all purity.
[2] older women as mothers, and younger women as sisters with absolute purity

[3] Honour widows that are widows indeed.
[3] Give proper recognition to those widows who are really in need.

[4] But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to show piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.
[4] But if a widow has children or grandchildren, these should learn first of all to put their religion into practice by caring for their own family and so repaying their parents and grandparents.

[5] Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day.
[5] The widow who is really in need and left all alone puts her hope in God and continues night and day to pray and to ask God for help.

[6] But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
[6] But the widow who lives for pleasure is dead even while she lives

[7] And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless.
[7] Give the people these instructions, too, so that no one may be open to blame.

[8]But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
[8] If anyone does not provide for his relatives, and especially for his immediate family, he has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.

[9] Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man.
[9] No widow may be put on the list of widows unless she is over sixty, has been faithful to her husband.

[10] Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints' feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work.
[10] and is well known for her good deeds, such as bringing up children, showing hospitality, washing the feet of the saints, helping those in trouble and devoting herself to all kinds of good deeds.

[11] But the younger widows refuse: for when they have begun to wax wanton against Christ, they will marry.
[11] As for younger widows, do not put them on such a list. For when their sexual desires overcome their dedication to Christ, they want to marry.

[12] Having damnation, because they have cast off their first faith.
[12] Thus they bring judgement on themselves, because they have broken their first pledge.

[13] And withal they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies, speaking things which they ought not.
[13] Besides, they get into the habit of being idle and going about from house to house. And not only do they becomd idlers, but also gossips and busybodies, saying things they ought not to.

[14] I will therefore that the younger women marry, bear children, guid their house, give none occasion to the adversary to speak reproachfully.
[14] So I counsel younger widows to marry, to have children, to manage their homes and to give the enemy no opportunity for slander.

[15] For some are already turned aside after Satan.
[15] Some have in fact already turned away to follow Satan.

[16] If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.
[16] If any woman who is a believer has widows in her family, she should help them and not let the church be burdened with them, so that the church can help those widows who are really in need.

[17] Let the elders that rule well be counted worthy of double honour, especially they who labour in the word and doctrine.
[17] The elders who direct the affairs of the church well are worthy of double honor, especially those whose work is preaching and teaching.

Ok, that oughtta do it. Now, what is the majority topic being discussed here?

101 posted on 10/06/2001 2:19:14 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Havoc
And Peter didn't go to Rome

Good luck on your now impossible mission of proving a negative.

I don't blindly accept anything

Except Jesuit conspiracy theories.

Pray for the Vicar of Christ

142 posted on 10/07/2001 10:39:19 AM PDT by dignan3
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