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U.S. Deems Sharon's Remarks "Unacceptable"
Fox News Channel ^ | 10/5/01 | James Rosen

Posted on 10/05/2001 7:22:05 AM PDT by dep

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To: veronica
agreed
22 posted on 10/05/2001 7:38:22 AM PDT by DittoJed2
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To: veronica
Public posturing aside, the message was heard, thank God!

Yes!!! Keep praying.

24 posted on 10/05/2001 7:40:27 AM PDT by Jackie222
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To: veronica, DistantVoice
I hope you're right about this Veronica, but I'm starting to worry the administration's approach to the problem.

Wolfowitz has been muzzled. Rumsfeld is sounding more and more like Powell, with his talk about a prolonged "Cold War" type engagement with terrorist and sponsoring states. We're publicly scolding Israel, while coddling corrupt tyrants like the Saudi's. I don't like the sound of this at all.

We were destined to win the Cold War. Our ideas, our demographics, and our economies were all in ascent vis a vis the Communist world. The Communists themselves were fundamentally rationalist, nearly always choosing life over ideology. We knew that if we could simply present a strong enough front to prevent a direct assault, we would inevitably win a war of attrition.

This is not so against the Islamic world. They are growing in numbers and in wealth. They are conquering more territory every year. They draw on a 1500 year old Abrahamic tradition rather than a 100 year old German economic theory.

Meanwhile, the West is in decline. We have turned away from our Abrahamic values in favor of a Davos-driven secular materialism. Our populations are shrinking. Our share of wealth is diminishing versus Asia and the rest of the world. In short, the massive disequilibrium of Western power vs. the rest of the world that has characterized the last 200 years or so is beginning to correct itself.

And our leaders are guiding us to a new "Cold War?" Such a war of attrition does NOT favor us anymore. We have the tools and the power today to end Islamic power decisively. 50 years from now--even 10 years from now--that may not be the case.

I think about how different the world might be had the Western allies pushed beyond Germany into Russia after WWII. Would the world have been spared the horrors of Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and the terror of the nuclear doomsday watch? Nobody back then could have known what would happen in the next 50 years. We, however, don't have that excuse. I don't want my children to have to grow up doing biological and chemical weapons drills in their schools because our leadership today lacked the steel to do what nees to be done.

25 posted on 10/05/2001 7:41:28 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: dep
Nothing Bush said is different than the long range goal of Israel.....Mainly, the Palestinians must first accept the right of Israel to exist. Sharon was stupid to criticize a pissed off US at this point in time....at least publicly.
26 posted on 10/05/2001 7:41:34 AM PDT by arkfreepdom
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To: Romulus
Your #13. If only others here at our beloved coffee clatch and debating society were as perspicacious as you. Seldom have truer words ever been uttered. The VERY LAST thing Israel, the client state, needs to do, is get into a pissing contest with the United States when it is in the midst of a very important fish fry.
27 posted on 10/05/2001 7:41:57 AM PDT by major-pelham
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To: Lent
It is a new world out there. Get used to it.

At least they are not talking about sending in UN occupation forces and reimposing the Mandate.

The perception is that everyone outside of the partisans for both sides are sick of this conflict and demand a resolution.

Sucks, but what can you do?

28 posted on 10/05/2001 7:42:54 AM PDT by lavrenti
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To: dep
Talk of creation of a plalestinian state when the bodies of murdered fellow Americans have yet to be recovered from beneath the rubble of the WTC is not only UNACCEPTABLE, but outright ignorant.
29 posted on 10/05/2001 7:43:02 AM PDT by Egg
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To: Distant Voice
Haven't heard from you in while. Hope you're doing ok.
32 posted on 10/05/2001 7:44:29 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: Dr. Dealgood
Good morning, disruptor.

Put it back in your pants. We know who our friends are, and we won't betray them.

33 posted on 10/05/2001 7:46:14 AM PDT by cicero's_son
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To: 1Old Pro; dep; Macroman ; veronica ; rebdov
Can you guess the players in this story?

A country, Y, strategically situated, possessing mineral wealth, also of strategic importance, and a range of mountains forming a natural physical boundary with its western neighbor, Z. These mountains, however, have not always formed a clean ethnic division between the Ys and the Zs. Ethnic Zs have formed a local majority in the part of Y along the border at certain times since the late middle ages when their ancestors moved there. The majority came to be so strong that ethnic Zs have outnumbered ethnic Ys in places by 9 to 1. Political changes in the international neighborhood evolved to the point where the ethnic Z were encouraged by developments to express a sense of repression in being under the political rule of Y and to assert their right to "self-determination." Although they did not have autonomy, they did have the right to use their own language and had a parallel school system.

Small clashes between the ethnic Z and the police broke out in the winter of the year and escalated in March. From the beginning of April, an intense propaganda campaign was set into motion in the country of Z, and picked up by western media, to highlight the "repression" in Y and to press for autonomy for the downtrodden majority-minority. Concessions, and invitations to discussion, were made by the Y government, but these offers were rebuffed as the ethnic Z felt their star rise in the west and world opinion shift to their side. In encounters with the police, ethnic Z were killed: the spokesman for the majority-minority again refused to meet at the conference table until the "bestial police" stop committing "savage crimes." There were violent battles all summer long as the police move to crack down on what they called terrorists. Some papers announced "unconfirmed reports" of "women and children being mowed down" by police in "armoured cars." Others, more moderate, took the tack that the Y government was using "some restraint considering their overwhelming advantage in firepower." By summer's end, the western public opinion had been seasoned to the extent that it seemed not altogether fantastic to read a Times (of London) editorial that advocated going beyond "self-government" for ethnic Z and suggested to Y that it should cede the territories in question to Z. After that the fighting increased significantly. On the night of September 13-14, martial law was declared in Y.

34 posted on 10/05/2001 7:48:05 AM PDT by eniapmot
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To: RasterMaster
I do not like our country standing behind Israel regardless of what they do.

Yes, instead we should stand with that holy coalition of terrorist Islamic States. Like Syria for example. The same Syria which the U.S. is now backing to be part of the Security Council. The same Syria which is occupying Lebanon; helping in the extinguishing of the Christian presence there; and allowing its proxy terrorists the Hezbullah to perpetrate terrorism against Israel and Western interests. And that wonderful paragon of virtue Iran. Also sponsoring and funding the Hezbullah and other terrorist organizations. I should go on. Like Sudan. A new "partner" against terrorism. The same Sudan which is slaughtering and enslaving Christians. I'll stop there. The hypocrisy is really too much to take in one dose.

35 posted on 10/05/2001 7:49:06 AM PDT by Lent
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To: Dr. Dealgood
Wonder what Ariel would say if W. dusts off the 1947 and 1948 resolutions and say: "Why lookie here! This resolution says..."

Same holds true for Fatah and Islamic Scumbag. Obviously both sides were served notice this week.

36 posted on 10/05/2001 7:49:08 AM PDT by lavrenti
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights , dep
My opinion (FWIW) is that this is not the time for the US to get into a p*ssing match with Israel.

That's the crux of it all. We are way too distracted by politics, showmanship, money and collectivist coalition building arrogance beyond recognition. This administration is not showing the proper focus and is losing its mind by emphasising too much on world collectivism instead of survival. America is in great danger, great great danger, worse danger than Israel even, and we lose focus, we take unilateral initiatives and spikes at Israel and now we do not expect consequences? It's going to have to learn. To think of it, Bush almost got hurt in this attack, and you'd think he would take things personaly. I think the Stokholm syndrome is to be called for in this instance. But I won't disgress to that, I will start building a shelter. No more business and politicking for me sir, oh no! I'm digging my hole and burrying my weapons - especialy given the aesthtical fag like hysteria going on in Washington.

37 posted on 10/05/2001 7:50:08 AM PDT by lavaroise
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To: F.J. Mitchell
>Sorry Ari, but Sharon is right on the money. If we are going to screw our real friends to pacify our questionable fair weather friends, it will be to our everlasting sorrow.

Think of it like this. If you cut and run and leave a bunch of wacko Cuban mercenaries in the lurch at the Bay of Pigs, all you do is make a bunch of wacko Cuban émigrés really really mad at you.

But if you cut and run and leave the Israelis in the lurch surrounded by the Islamic Revolution, then pretty soon strange mushrooms will start growing in the desert. Really, really big, bright mushrooms...

Mark W.

38 posted on 10/05/2001 7:50:51 AM PDT by MarkWar
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To: dep
Sharon's comparison of his state to the republic formerly known as "Czechoslovakia" might be right on the money. After a world conflagration costing a hundred million casualties the republic formerly known as Czechoslovakia was able to eject that pesky 50% of the population of the Czech lands who weren't Czech. Carpe diem Ariel.
39 posted on 10/05/2001 7:55:56 AM PDT by nkycincinnatikid
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