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To: SoothingDave
Did you find a female apostle yet?

Have I ever said there was one? Are you guilty of twisting words?
11 posted on 10/03/2001 10:29:44 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE
Did you find a female apostle yet?

Have I ever said there was one? Are you guilty of twisting words?

I was asking because you rejected Paul's "personal opinion" about women, his misogyny, interjected in the middle of an otherwise inspired epistle. You further stated that you don't see a problem with women pastors or preachers. I was asking if Jesus appointed any women apostles, as they were the leaders of the Church.

Do you think Jesus erred in not placing women in positions of authority?

SD

14 posted on 10/03/2001 10:36:15 AM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: pegleg
Where does the Bible say the early churches treated Peter in a papal fashion?

I cite the example of Peter settling the circumcision debate in Acts 15.

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Let's take a look at Acts 15:

Acts 15:

1 But some men came down from Judea and were teaching the brethren, "Unless you are circumcised according to the custom of Moses, you cannot be saved."

2 And when Paul and Barnabas had no small dissension and debate with them, Paul and Barnabas and some of the others were appointed to go up to Jerusalem to the apostles and the elders about this question.

3 So, being sent on their way by the church, they passed through both Phoeni'cia and Sama'ria, reporting the conversion of the Gentiles, and they gave great joy to all the brethren.

4 When they came to Jerusalem, they were welcomed by the church and the apostles and the elders, and they declared all that God had done with them.

5 But some believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees rose up, and said, "It is necessary to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses."

6 The apostles and the elders were gathered together to consider this matter.

7 And after there had been much debate, Peter rose and said to them, "Brethren, you know that in the early days God made choice among you, that by my mouth the Gentiles should hear the word of the gospel and believe.

8 And God who knows the heart bore witness to them, giving them the Holy Spirit just as he did to us;

9 and he made no distinction between us and them, but cleansed their hearts by faith.

10 Now therefore why do you make trial of God by putting a yoke upon the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we have been able to bear?

11 But we believe that we shall be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will."

12 And all the assembly kept silence; and they listened to Barnabas and Paul as they related what signs and wonders God had done through them among the Gentiles.

13 After they finished speaking, James replied, "Brethren, listen to me.

14 Simeon has related how God first visited the Gentiles, to take out of them a people for his name.

15 And with this the words of the prophets agree, as it is written,

16 'After this I will return, and I will rebuild the dwelling of David, which has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will set it up,

18 says the Lord, who has made these things known from of old.'

19 Therefore my judgment is that we should not trouble those of the Gentiles who turn to God,

20 but should write to them to abstain from the pollutions of idols and from unchastity and from what is strangled and from blood.

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Note the bold paragraphs:

( 7) After much debate Peter spoke.
(12) After Peter spoke, Barnabus and Paul spoke.
(13) James spoke. (19) James made the Judgment.

Tell us one more time how Peter was treated in Papal fashion.
22 posted on 10/03/2001 11:15:08 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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