Posted on 10/03/2001 9:38:09 AM PDT by malakhi
| Of all the dispositions and habits, which lead to political prosperity, Religion, and Morality are indispensable supports. -- In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of Men and Citizens. -- The mere Politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. -- A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. -- Let it simply be asked where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths, which are the instruments of investigation in Courts of Justice? And let us with caution indulge the supposition, that morality can be maintained without religion. -- Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure -- reason and experience both forbid us to expect, that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle. — George Washington |
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The Neverending Story (The Christian Chronicles) -- Thread 154
The same reason Jesus had to tell peter three times to feed his Sheep. The same reason Peter denied Christ three times. Peter was wishy washy and unreliable. He was not a leader. He didn't have the makings of a leader. And if Jesus' chastisement had been handled instead by a Drill seargent, the chastisement would have been something like 'C'mon boy, Grow a pair!' Tho not as clean, 'Make up your mind! Do you want to live or die!' Well, come to think of it, Paul did give him one of those figurative 'What the, Git off of my obstacle! Get the heck down off my obstacle! Have you lost your mind!' LOL.
Scripture. If it doesn't align with scripture, the word Holy don't belong anywhere near it. Garbage is garbage. You can add modifiers all day long; but, it still is summed up best in the phrase "a pig in a tuxedo is still a pig". If there is no basis for authority, it's useless. And saying it came from somebody worth hearing from is about as authoritative as me trying to sell you a period peice from Italy from WWII and telling you Moose-olini sat in it (sp on purpose). Right, where's the proof! No proof and it doesn't line up with scripture- too bad, soo sad, from Dad!
ROFLOL - In tears. My sides hurt. I can't believe you guys are this blind and have this level of Gaul.
Who was it, refresh my memory please, that hid behind 'church fathers' and Jack Chick-ish cut and pastes for two and a half threads of "Where's the proof" only to have SD turn right around and admit that the 'church fathers' as you call them are unreliable. I was trashed for that time for saying the self same thing and requiring proof of a SINGLE solitary question. The only real attempt made was by Pegleg who, tho forgiven in this, cut and pasted three zero authority references that did not support his point.
An honest answer was given to the question. I'm not blind. I was here. And I still know how to go back and read it again - wow. It's still there. It didn't go anywhere.
And as far as your opinion of me is concerned, you'd better hope it improves if you end up in heaven, cause I'm going to be there. And if you don't love me by then, you're going to hate paradise with a passion!
Your problem is that all protestants do not - and never have believed this tripe. It's a non-sequeter of epic proportions when dealing with a Christian. If Catholics could get the flip side of it in line, you guys might be in better shape. BTW, the flip side is dragging in tradition with no authority, Philosophies that are but garbage, and the opinions of a bunch of old men from the second century on that could neither agree with the Bible or one another. If they found the truth it would be the dissenting view killed with extreme prejudice!
Verse 12 must not be in the Catholic translation. Or perhaps they figure Paul and Barnabas weren't really people, but allusions to the thoughts of Peter? LOLOL
Maybe, maybe not. Since James was on the same side initially he could have completely ignored Petros and made his decision in Petros's complete absense. Did Petros have a say in the matter - yes. That is as much as can be said. He certainly didn't have the final word, or even next to last. Two people spoke after him, and the one with responsibility for the Jerusalem Church made the decision. Had this been Rome, Paul would have had the say. Had it been Petros's stomping ground, Petros would have had the say (Babylon & home church in Judea). Petros just offers another opinion among the group with no greater or lesser authority than the others with the exception of the one who's job it is to oversee this flock!
What I think shows the amazing insight of our forefathers is that our country survived Bill Clinton.
And yes having a living breathing authority to interpet the Consistitution, was a necessity.
Since you and other neo-Christians have demonstrated that the doctrine of “Scripture Alone” doesn’t mean that the Bible isn’t the sole rule of faith, maybe you can explain to me exactly what the notion of Scripture Alone means.
So you reject the notion of the Trinity? You must since this is just the type of "garbage" we receive via Holy Tradition.
Calling something Holy or tradition makes neither, of necessity, the case. And, as an aside, finding an exception , if you could, does not create a rule.
Wow. A couple of geniuses on the same wavelength. No foolin' I was just thinkin' about that today. I would pick it up but everytime I think about typing something I realize that I've already responded to this or that before. Either that or I need some inspiration. Just got over a bout with the flu. How are you?
Welcome back, friend. Glad to hear you're well.
Yeah, it's hard to jump in when we've already been over this stuff again and again. What a vicious cycle. But you better come up with something fast or you'll be overthrown. Probably by Dave or JH.
Things are well here, but lonely. The wife and child are out of town this week. Oh, well ... at least I can catch up on cleaning and car work.
Was just checking in. I'm outa here now. See ya manana!
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