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The Fruits of Negligence - The Clinton Administration's Security Legacy
Front Page Magazine ^ | 10/02/01 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 10/02/2001 3:27:18 PM PDT by Mahone

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The only sentence I disagree with is that we thought Clinton a 'mixed blessing', give me a break, he was a curse from the beginning and we'll be feeling the effects of it for many years to come.

If this had happened after a Republican Presidency can you just imagine what we'd be hearing on the now strangely quiet nightly news?

1 posted on 10/02/2001 3:27:18 PM PDT by Mahone
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To: Mahone
Is there a way to sue the heck out of Clinton? After all he is making pretty good money now.
Even if it is ours.
2 posted on 10/02/2001 3:31:11 PM PDT by Slyfox
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To: Mahone
Mabye it was intentional Negligence. Like loosely enforcing gun-laws, in hope to use resulting tragedies as ground for ending second ammendment. Make a list of those who stand to gain from this assault. Its a short list...
3 posted on 10/02/2001 3:38:02 PM PDT by The_Republican
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To: The_Republican
The Agency needs to find a new Wild Bill Donovan or Casey.
4 posted on 10/02/2001 3:53:04 PM PDT by PsyOp
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To: Mahone
I can say it in fewer words. Clinton was more concerned for his pud than he was for the country. Period.
5 posted on 10/02/2001 3:58:12 PM PDT by Samizdat
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To: Mahone

6 posted on 10/02/2001 4:02:03 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Mahone,joanie-f,snopercod,brityank,Covenantor,mommadooo3
The writer misses the essential "liberal" mind.

To the socialist, the socialist is NEVER at fault; and instead, the fault is ALWAYS external.

The "liberal" mind at work:

"'President' Clinton was pre-occupied by the personal attacks having nothing to do with his responsibilities, but which, out of his care for the American people, he took upon himself to address, thus being robbed of what otherwise would have been his attention to the nation's business."

"Clearly" the vast right-wing Taliban-Republican conspirators are to blame.

7 posted on 10/02/2001 4:11:47 PM PDT by First_Salute
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To: Mahone
"Clinton spent less concentrated attention on national defense than any other President in recent memory".

Yeah, he was busy with something else.

8 posted on 10/02/2001 4:20:04 PM PDT by paul51
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To: Mahone
This is only the beginning of the USA reaping what bill sowed. However, I blame the people who voted him in. Without them "he" could not have been !! When you don't care about character " this is the result of much reaping ahead I'm afraid to say.
9 posted on 10/02/2001 4:31:56 PM PDT by DreamWeaver
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To: Mahone
There is another possible explanation for clinton's "benign neglect" of the intelligence community. I put it like this on another thread when I was in a particularly dark mood:
Clinton - who wanted to nationalize everything and everybody - knew what the Taliban and all the other terrorist organizations were up to. But he could not turn America into Amerika during his administration, because people expected such things of him [Health Care, etc.] and would have opposed him. So he planted seeds and waited.

Clinton and his Dept. of State nurtured the terrorists states - Afghanistan, Yemen, Palestine, Libya - keeping them alive until Bush (or Gore) was president. These seeds that clinton watered during his administration finally bore fruit on September 11th, 2001.

The American people trust Bush, and "know" that he is not like clinton and would never turn America into a police state. But that is exactly what he is in the process of doing. Only Nixon could go to China. Only Bush could turn America into Amerika.

The Taliban won, and clinton won.


10 posted on 10/02/2001 4:32:36 PM PDT by snopercod
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To: snopercod
You're so ignorant about the way GWB thinks.
11 posted on 10/02/2001 4:36:41 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: First_Salute
To the socialist, the socialist is NEVER at fault; and instead, the fault is ALWAYS external.

That's why 100% of the media now refer to the events of September 11th, 2001 as a "tragedy".

Nobody is responsible for a tragedy - like earthquakes and tornadoes, they just happen.

Maybe it's the influence of the latino way of thinking. In English, one says "I broke the coffee cup" - in Spanish one says "the coffee cup broke itself to me". [se me rompió]

12 posted on 10/02/2001 4:42:17 PM PDT by snopercod
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You're so ignorant about the way GWB thinks.

Yeah, I keep hearing that while my rights are disappearing faster than I can say Sieg Heil!

Would you like to talk about what has happened to my right to fly for instance?

13 posted on 10/02/2001 4:45:58 PM PDT by snopercod
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Would you like to talk about what has happened to my right to fly for instance?

What happened to your right to fly? Or what other particular right have you lost?

14 posted on 10/02/2001 4:48:16 PM PDT by Mahone
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To: Mahone
You do realize that General Aviation is still grounded in this country (private pilots with private airplanes) around most major metro areas, don't you? And there is no indication when it will be reinstated if ever.
15 posted on 10/02/2001 4:54:59 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: snopercod
Would you like to talk about what has happened to my right to fly for instance?

You have wings?

16 posted on 10/02/2001 5:33:13 PM PDT by lonestar
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To: Samizdat
...not to take away from your wit. But, not only was he more concerned with his pud than his country, he failed to recognize that the dastardly debts he waged, would be collected and paid by whoever followed his brief stint of glory tainted. Thanks Bill, you a-hole.
17 posted on 10/02/2001 5:43:17 PM PDT by luminol
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To: snopercod
Move out then. You trader. You loser.
18 posted on 10/02/2001 5:54:02 PM PDT by luminol
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To: Mahone
this from boortz.com regarding the flight restrictions:
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WHY ARE THERE STILL RYDER RENTAL TRUCKS ON THE ROAD?

Here’s a link to a strange little piece, which appeared in yesterday’s Washington Post. It was written by someone named Joseph Kinney who claims to be a security consultant.. in Charlotte, North Carolina.

Kinney is calling for a “clamp down” on general aviation. So, does he really know what he’s talking about? It really doesn’t seem so. In his piece he writes “General aviation, which serves business and recreational fliers, encompasses 7,120 jets and about 25,000 multi-engine aircraft flown by about 200,000 pilots who have instrument ratings.” How could any person who claims to know something of which he write get the facts so wrong?

Actually, General aviation encompasses about 206,503 airplanes of which 6,400 are jets. Of the piston power general aviation airplanes 145,250 are single engine. Only 18,750 (not 25,000) are multi-engine. So far Kinney isn’t doing too well, is he?

Taking it further, these general aviation airplanes are actually flown by 635,000 pilots, not just the 309,000 (not 200,000 as Kinney says) with instrument ratings.

OK … why am I making such a big deal here? Because this clown is writing in an influential newspaper about clamping down on general aviation when it is absolutely clear that he hasn’t bothered to research his subject! All of the numbers are readily available on the Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association website [ www.aopa.org ] for anyone to peruse.

As you read on in Kinney’s article you see more and more errors. His bit on flight plans, for instance.

Now --- here’s a task for you. Try to find one instance where any general aviation aircraft has been used as a weapon in the hands of terrorists anywhere in the world. Can you? I can’t. Now – see if you can think of an instance where a car or a truck has been used as a weapon in the hands of terrorists? The list is endless, isn’t it? How about that Ryder truck parked in front of that federal office building in Oklahoma City? Did we take Ryder rental trucks off the road? Is it any harder to rent a Ryder truck now than it was before Oklahoma City? No, on both questions. It’s one helluva lot easier to load explosives into a car or truck and drive them into a city than it is to load a light aircraft and fly it into a building and do any real damage.

Yeah – this is a narrow interest. General aviation is my hobby and passion. You? You probably don’t really give that big a damn, and that’s understandable.

Right now I have an airplane (a Super Decathlon) sitting at an airport near Atlanta that I can’t fly. The FAA won’t let me. Security concerns, you know. I can only fly my other airplane (Mooney Ovation2) if I file an IFR flight plan. Yeah, big deal. Who cares? It doesn’t affect you, does it? Well – if that was the approach we all took to freedom (hey, that’s his freedom, not mine. Doesn’t affect me.) then freedom would be in grave shape indeed.

If so-called security consultants like Joseph Kinney are going to write their little screeds they need to do some research and get some real facts.
--------------------------------------- He does have some valid points. If they outlawed all boats because they were worried about poisoning water supplies a lot more people would understand hus point and want to fight it.

19 posted on 10/02/2001 7:55:41 PM PDT by RobFromGa
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To: All
Sadly it seems Clinton was more concerned with his "fun stuff" while in the Presidential office than being Commander and Chief of the Armed Forces. He did pass alot more firearm bans for all of us to deal with. Don't you feel more safe now knowing more guns are now out of criminals' hands?

I did not vote this brilliant man into office. Weak people like this get into positions of power thanks to all those great citizens who can't take the time to vote. Have a nice life Bill. The U.S.A. will never forget your irresponsible legacy you have left. And to all those who are intelligent enough choose the right man but can't be bothered to take the time to vote, you have helped to contribute the smoking ashes of the world trade center and more firearm bans.

20 posted on 10/02/2001 8:01:41 PM PDT by 2nd_Ammendment_Defender
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