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To: Uriel1975
There is actually one instance of conversion by the sword which apparently took.
In 878, King Alfred the Great, along with his Anglo-Saxon allies, successfully attacked the viking plunderers (read terrorists) and, after capturing their leaders caused them to be baptized and swear fealty to God.
The vanquished kings and their people actually sought and recieved instruction in the faith and lived accordingly.
Of course, in previous eras, one took oaths seriously, and followed whatever religion your leader or family head prescribed for you, an idea that is foreign to most today.
303 posted on 10/02/2001 12:56:51 PM PDT by Apogee
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To: Apogee
There is actually one instance of conversion by the sword which apparently took.

It's that "apparently" which throws the whole equation.

In 878, King Alfred the Great, along with his Anglo-Saxon allies, successfully attacked the viking plunderers (read terrorists) and, after capturing their leaders caused them to be baptized and swear fealty to God. The vanquished kings and their people actually sought and recieved instruction in the faith and lived accordingly. Of course, in previous eras, one took oaths seriously, and followed whatever religion your leader or family head prescribed for you, an idea that is foreign to most today.

You can "follow the religion", but it doesn't, of itself, do you a darn bit of Salvific good.
For man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
I'm not saying that there weren't "conversions"; I'm saying that any True Conversions which happened in the course of the above-mentioned affair, did not result from the efficacy of the sword.

You can't "make" a believer out of any man. You can only make him "follow the religion" at gunpoint -- if that. But it amounts to putting a sheepskin on a goat -- strap it on as tight as you like, it's still a goat. God converts whom He wants to convert; our duty is simply to Obey His commandments.

Or, since you brought up Vikings...


310 posted on 10/02/2001 1:12:42 PM PDT by Uriel1975
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