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Ashcroft, Seeking Broad Powers, Says Congress Must Act Quickly
New York Times [News Department, Ministry of Truth] ^ | 2001-10-01 | ALISON MITCHELL and TODD S. PURDUM

Posted on 09/30/2001 10:13:10 PM PDT by Benoit Baldwin


October 1, 2001

THE LAWMAKERS

Ashcroft, Seeking Broad Powers, Says Congress Must Act Quickly

By ALISON MITCHELL and TODD S. PURDUM

"FACE THE NATION"
Attorney General John Ashcroft, left, and Senator Orrin G. Hatch before being interviewed on CBS Sunday.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 — Attorney General John Ashcroft implored lawmakers today to approve the Bush administration's antiterrorism package by next week, warning: "Talk will not prevent terrorism. We need to have action by the Congress."

Facing bipartisan resistance to proposals like increased electronic surveillance powers and the indefinite detention of immigrants considered national security threats, Mr. Ashcroft argued that such powers were needed to disrupt terrorist activity. "We need the tools to prevent terrorism," he said in an appearance on the CBS News program "Face the Nation."

In fact, over the last decade there has often been more talk than action on antiterrorism initiatives, some nearly identical to those proposed by the Bush administration in response to the devastation in New York and at the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

Since the first attack on the World Trade Center, in 1993, Congress has received a raft of proposals for expanded electronic surveillance, tighter airport security, tougher money-laundering laws, a counterterrorism czar, increased intelligence sharing and stepped-up monitoring of foreign students.

Some legislation passed, including measures to increase criminal penalties for acts of terrorism, crack down on immigration violators and substantially increase federal money for investigating terrorism and protecting government buildings and computer networks.

But many other proposals died, were weakened or were never effectively put in effect. Airlines fought some tighter security regulations on the ground that they would cost too much. Banks opposed a crackdown on overseas money laundering. Computer companies succeeded in weakening efforts to restrict overseas sales of software that encrypts data. Educational institutions resisted the monitoring of foreign students.

And the National Rifle Association and civil liberties groups repeatedly worked together to defeat proposals to expand federal authority for wiretapping and other surveillance.

As he struggled last year to pass a broad antiterrorism bill, Senator Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, delivered a warning that now sounds prophetic: that after another World Trade Center bombing "everybody will be excited about getting something done, but the time to get excited is now." Although Mr. Kyl's bill passed the Senate after the attack on the destroyer Cole last October, the legislation died in the House.

There is no guarantee that any of the legislation before Congress would have stopped the devastating Sept. 11 attacks or prevented the largest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor. In fact, many lawmakers still debate whether a number of the measures are warranted, would be effective or are constitutional.

"Up to now there's really been no constituency to move with any of this," said Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, who co-sponsored Mr. Kyl's legislation. "There was no critical mass to move a bill, and I don't think anybody believed the depth to which these terrorists would go."

Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said today on "Face the Nation," "I don't think we can delay it any longer." But lawmakers are still fighting over the details of the package.

Congress has been warned in the past. Three national commissions reported that the nation and its intelligence, law enforcement and health care agencies were ill prepared to deal with domestic terrorist strikes.

When the National Commission on Terrorism made a sweeping series of antiterror recommendations last year, L. Paul Bremer, the commission's chairman, said: "We think there's a chance terrorists will try to stage a catastrophic event in the United States in the future. We're talking about something which will have tens of thousands of deaths."

But even as experts said that a growing terrorist threat required more powers and fewer constraints on government agencies, the suspicion of government itself was on the rise. Even President Bill Clinton proclaimed that "the era of big government" had come to an end.

And in a sign of the antigovernment sensibilities of the Republicans who took control of Congress in 1994, Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who has since left Congress, said during a House debate on antiterrorism legislation that while terrorism posed a severe threat, "There is a far greater fear in this country, and that is the fear of our own government."

Legislative attention to terrorism was episodic, rising in response to attacks like the 1993 trade center bombing. "What we lacked after 1993 was resolve as a nation," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, who proposed sweeping antiterrorist legislation two weeks after that deadly explosion.

The antiterror bill President Clinton finally signed in 1996, a year after the Oklahoma City bombing, included new counterterrorism financing for the F.B.I, new provisions to turn immigrants away from the borders, a streamlined deportation process and a special deportation court empowered to use secret evidence.

But it did not include the primary enforcement tools the president had sought — including authority for federal agents to use wiretaps that follow a person instead of a phone, and for chemical identifiers in explosives and black powder.

Those measures were stripped in the House by a coalition of liberals, who remembered the domestic spying on civil rights groups and Vietnam War protesters, and conservatives, who said the deaths in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and at the Branch Davidian complex near Waco, Tex., showed the government could not be trusted. The National Rifle Association lobbied hard against those provisions, as did civil rights groups.

The civil rights groups also opposed similar efforts in later years to allow law enforcement to get a single court order to trace suspect telephone or computer communications across multiple networks or phone companies. They argued that the threshold standard for obtaining such orders was too loose.

James X. Dempsey, deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit civil liberties group, said in an interview: "Our attitude was, there is a logic to this request. But given how the communications networks have grown, into e-mail, cellphones, voice mail, pagers, regular phones, other Internet applications, the idea that you can go from service provider to service provider without a judge ever actually asking what leads you to believe there's criminal conduct, we said that was too much."

Lobbying pressure also weakened efforts to place controls on the sensitive software used to keep computer data and telephone communications secret. For years, at least since coded files were found on the laptop computer of Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 trade center bombing, Louis J. Freeh, the former director of the F.B.I., and Representative Porter J. Goss of Florida, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, urged tight restrictions on exports of so-called encryption software on the grounds that it could fall into terrorist hands and complicate law enforcement. But they confronted a wall of opposition from the computer industry.

Computer industry lobbyists built Congressional support for lifting such restrictions. The industry, along with privacy advocates, argued that the pace of technology had outstripped government's ability to control it, and that American industry would suffer unfairly without access to foreign markets.

Last year, the Clinton administration issued Commerce Department regulations allowing export of such programs after a one-time review by the Defense Department, except to countries on the State Department's list of terrorist states. Sales to Europe do not require advance review.

Over time Congress doubled spending on counterterrorism programs, to about $12 billion this year. After the embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, Congress year by year gave Mr. Clinton the new money he wanted for embassy security. But it refused his request for a guaranteed future stream of more than $3 billion for security through 2005.

That led Senator Joseph R. Biden, a Delaware Democrat, to warn that Congress risked repeating what it had done in the mid-1980's, after car bombings at embassies in Kuwait and Lebanon, when a government commission called for major new spending on embassy security. At first, Mr. Biden said, Congress responded with significant money, "but as the years passed, security became a second-order priority."

Over the last three years, three more commissions have made recommendations to Congress, including lifting restrictions on the C.I.A.'s use of unsavory infiltrators for counterterrorism, allowing the armed forces to lead the response to any major attack on American soil, and creating a cabinet-level homeland security agency. Mr. Bush recently named Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania to head such an agency.

Similar calls for such a high-ranking coordinator have been sounded repeatedly, but have died because of longstanding rivalries among competing law enforcement agencies.

"Unfortunately you have these big bureaucracies that have a lot of history, pride and political influence that resist change, particularly change that they perceive as a loss of their power and influence," said Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "Up until Sept. 11, they had been strong enough to prevent efforts at restructuring the federal government."

Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company




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To: steve-b
Not a code phrase, simply reality. The duty to provide for the common defense and the duty againt "unreasonable" search and seizure will cause "unreasonable" to vary with the scope of the danger being defended against. Whatever the Constitution is, it is not a suicide pact!
41 posted on 10/01/2001 5:30:40 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Oh I get it. You want Bush and Ashcroft to dump the dirty laundry of the alphabet soup agencies in public view. In the middle of a war which will be so much easier for the enemies if they get a look at this dirty laundry. Makes perfect sense to me. 

Don't have to dump any dirty laundry. It's already aired on the Internet. It's called free speech. I suppose your going to claim that the dozens of articles that have criticized the governments failings equates to lose-lips. The terrorist knew who their facilitators were without having to read about their dirty laundry on the Internet.

I note that you again circumvented The Point. Do you assume that Ashcroft and the other government officials mentioned in the above article are acting in an honest and consistent manner to identify the internal problems and how the facilitated the mess?"  Has the occupant/Ashcroft or any of the above office holders done that? No. The fox is asking/demanding to guard the hen house with more of the same.

The problem must be accurately identified in the fullest sense with the all the facts gathered up to that point in time before an effective solution can be formulated.

42 posted on 10/01/2001 5:30:47 AM PDT by Zon
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To: MarthaNOStewart
Thanx for the agreement. The new Office of Homeland Security (Know as the Sicherheit Dienst in a foreign government in the first half of the 20th century) is a case in point. It will staff up with all sorts of managerial opportunities for bureaucratic time servers and political appointees. All will have fat salaries (at our expense). What a marvelous God given chance to plunder the taxpayers and have them agree with doing it! It must make tears (of joy) come to the eyes of the statists in Washington. Not a single person in the BHS will work on "security" They will simply add another bureaucratic layer on top of the FBI and CIA. But, who cares if it helps security when it can provide rich rewards for the politically faithful.
43 posted on 10/01/2001 5:32:30 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Zon
O Wise One, put yourself in Ashcroft's seat. What would you do. Remember you can't tip any more of our hand to the enemy than the media has already tipped, such as what agents are compromisable, etc.

Your position is pure paranoia.

44 posted on 10/01/2001 5:33:42 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: from occupied ga
Office of Homeland SecurityDefense

Can't you get a simple fact straight?

45 posted on 10/01/2001 5:35:10 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Benoit Baldwin
and the indefinite detention of immigrants considered national security threats,

I move we accept by unanimous consent.

46 posted on 10/01/2001 5:37:56 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Can't you get a simple fact straight?Who cares what you call it? A rose by any other name... Likewise a bureaucratic boondogle to suck up taxpayer dollars by any other name stinks.

If you're reduced to picking nits rather than responding to the substance of the comment, then I can take it that you have no disagreement with the substance of the remarks.

47 posted on 10/01/2001 5:40:48 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: HiTech RedNeck
such as what agents are compromisable

What?! ...There are compromise-able officials in the U.S. government? Tell me it isn't so. Get them the heck out of there since they don't have the integrity, honesty or competence to uphold their oaths to the Constitution and the People.

Your position is pure paranoia.

None of it is paranoia. It is all documented facts presented in context to the Primary issue. The primary issue is: who are the terrorists and their facilitators? The terrorists are hard to pinpoint. Some of the facilitators are hiding in plain site. I note that not once have you offered an argument that refutes those facts or primary issue.

48 posted on 10/01/2001 5:55:39 AM PDT by Zon
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To: steve-b
Is that the new code phrase now that "Living Document" is getting a bit old?

It's HiTech RedNeck's way of attempting to circumvent the stigma that has been rightfully attached to the "Living Document" spin.

49 posted on 10/01/2001 5:59:12 AM PDT by Zon
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To: HiTech RedNeck
In the middle of a war which will be so much easier for the enemies if they get a look at this dirty laundry.

There has been no declaration of war. Being that we have a Constitutional Republic, a Declaration of War must be enacted by the Congress, according to the crystal clear language of that same Constitution. If the government prosecutes a war, sans a Declaration, it is engaged in a criminal act.

Bush needs to step up to the plate, once the investigation is complete, and ask Congress to fulfill it's duty.

51 posted on 10/01/2001 6:03:26 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: D Joyce
This article in the Village Voice by Nat Hentoff addresses the same problems that we've been discussing here
53 posted on 10/01/2001 6:18:07 AM PDT by from occupied ga
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To: Benoit Baldwin
Damned American companies and organizations supporting and fighting for that liberty and freedom thing, again. sigh...if we could only just get more communists in American politics the world would be a safer place for the ruling class. /sarcasm
54 posted on 10/01/2001 6:21:24 AM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: holyscroller
I shudder to think what would have been considered terrorism under Herr Reno. (I refuse to think of her as a woman).

We need to be real careful going down this path.

55 posted on 10/01/2001 8:12:56 AM PDT by Katie_Colic
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To: HiTech RedNeck
How do you think Janet Reno and Hillary would have used these powers? Do you think Aschcroft will be there forever? What will be defined as terrorism by the next occupant of the White House? Where do these expanded powers end.

If I knew there would always be a man of Ashcrofts character in that office I could look the other way on this. THERE WILL NOT ALWAYS BE A MAN OF HIS CHARACTER IN THIS OFFICE. LETTING THIS GO TOO FAR IS AN INVITATION TO DISASTER.

56 posted on 10/01/2001 8:27:20 AM PDT by Katie_Colic
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To: D Joyce
That might, actually, be a good idea, if it has a sunset provision.

Government powers never decrease. If enacted this wil be permanent.

57 posted on 10/01/2001 8:30:21 AM PDT by Katie_Colic
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To: HiTech RedNeck
With a declaration of war, the Supremes are out of the loop, because foreigners will not be tried by civilian courts. We don't need a new cabinet agency, either.

Here's the deal in a nutshell; if Ashcroft can't do the job he hired on to do without boohooing to Congress that the Constitution is in his way, he needs to resign and let a grownup do the job.

A time like this gives us all a chance to see how well these soft-handed career politicians deliver when it's time for them to get to work. They have talked the game for long enough. Let'em get to work or get out of the way. Personally, I have about a nickel's worth of faith in any of them. I also don't intend to let them get by with more of the same old garbage without speaking up and calling them on their nonsense.

You're forgetting something; these idiots are our employees, not our leaders, and not our bosses. They're going to have to deliver and observe the rules contained in the Constitution which they all swore to uphold and defend. If they can't, let them step down.

58 posted on 10/01/2001 8:39:42 AM PDT by Twodees
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