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Ashcroft, Seeking Broad Powers, Says Congress Must Act Quickly
New York Times [News Department, Ministry of Truth] ^ | 2001-10-01 | ALISON MITCHELL and TODD S. PURDUM

Posted on 09/30/2001 10:13:10 PM PDT by Benoit Baldwin


October 1, 2001

THE LAWMAKERS

Ashcroft, Seeking Broad Powers, Says Congress Must Act Quickly

By ALISON MITCHELL and TODD S. PURDUM

"FACE THE NATION"
Attorney General John Ashcroft, left, and Senator Orrin G. Hatch before being interviewed on CBS Sunday.

WASHINGTON, Sept. 30 — Attorney General John Ashcroft implored lawmakers today to approve the Bush administration's antiterrorism package by next week, warning: "Talk will not prevent terrorism. We need to have action by the Congress."

Facing bipartisan resistance to proposals like increased electronic surveillance powers and the indefinite detention of immigrants considered national security threats, Mr. Ashcroft argued that such powers were needed to disrupt terrorist activity. "We need the tools to prevent terrorism," he said in an appearance on the CBS News program "Face the Nation."

In fact, over the last decade there has often been more talk than action on antiterrorism initiatives, some nearly identical to those proposed by the Bush administration in response to the devastation in New York and at the Pentagon on Sept. 11.

Since the first attack on the World Trade Center, in 1993, Congress has received a raft of proposals for expanded electronic surveillance, tighter airport security, tougher money-laundering laws, a counterterrorism czar, increased intelligence sharing and stepped-up monitoring of foreign students.

Some legislation passed, including measures to increase criminal penalties for acts of terrorism, crack down on immigration violators and substantially increase federal money for investigating terrorism and protecting government buildings and computer networks.

But many other proposals died, were weakened or were never effectively put in effect. Airlines fought some tighter security regulations on the ground that they would cost too much. Banks opposed a crackdown on overseas money laundering. Computer companies succeeded in weakening efforts to restrict overseas sales of software that encrypts data. Educational institutions resisted the monitoring of foreign students.

And the National Rifle Association and civil liberties groups repeatedly worked together to defeat proposals to expand federal authority for wiretapping and other surveillance.

As he struggled last year to pass a broad antiterrorism bill, Senator Jon Kyl, an Arizona Republican, delivered a warning that now sounds prophetic: that after another World Trade Center bombing "everybody will be excited about getting something done, but the time to get excited is now." Although Mr. Kyl's bill passed the Senate after the attack on the destroyer Cole last October, the legislation died in the House.

There is no guarantee that any of the legislation before Congress would have stopped the devastating Sept. 11 attacks or prevented the largest intelligence failure since Pearl Harbor. In fact, many lawmakers still debate whether a number of the measures are warranted, would be effective or are constitutional.

"Up to now there's really been no constituency to move with any of this," said Senator Dianne Feinstein, Democrat of California, who co-sponsored Mr. Kyl's legislation. "There was no critical mass to move a bill, and I don't think anybody believed the depth to which these terrorists would go."

Senator Orrin G. Hatch of Utah, the senior Republican on the Senate Judiciary Committee, said today on "Face the Nation," "I don't think we can delay it any longer." But lawmakers are still fighting over the details of the package.

Congress has been warned in the past. Three national commissions reported that the nation and its intelligence, law enforcement and health care agencies were ill prepared to deal with domestic terrorist strikes.

When the National Commission on Terrorism made a sweeping series of antiterror recommendations last year, L. Paul Bremer, the commission's chairman, said: "We think there's a chance terrorists will try to stage a catastrophic event in the United States in the future. We're talking about something which will have tens of thousands of deaths."

But even as experts said that a growing terrorist threat required more powers and fewer constraints on government agencies, the suspicion of government itself was on the rise. Even President Bill Clinton proclaimed that "the era of big government" had come to an end.

And in a sign of the antigovernment sensibilities of the Republicans who took control of Congress in 1994, Tom Coburn, an Oklahoma Republican who has since left Congress, said during a House debate on antiterrorism legislation that while terrorism posed a severe threat, "There is a far greater fear in this country, and that is the fear of our own government."

Legislative attention to terrorism was episodic, rising in response to attacks like the 1993 trade center bombing. "What we lacked after 1993 was resolve as a nation," said Senator Charles E. Schumer, Democrat of New York, who proposed sweeping antiterrorist legislation two weeks after that deadly explosion.

The antiterror bill President Clinton finally signed in 1996, a year after the Oklahoma City bombing, included new counterterrorism financing for the F.B.I, new provisions to turn immigrants away from the borders, a streamlined deportation process and a special deportation court empowered to use secret evidence.

But it did not include the primary enforcement tools the president had sought — including authority for federal agents to use wiretaps that follow a person instead of a phone, and for chemical identifiers in explosives and black powder.

Those measures were stripped in the House by a coalition of liberals, who remembered the domestic spying on civil rights groups and Vietnam War protesters, and conservatives, who said the deaths in Ruby Ridge, Idaho, and at the Branch Davidian complex near Waco, Tex., showed the government could not be trusted. The National Rifle Association lobbied hard against those provisions, as did civil rights groups.

The civil rights groups also opposed similar efforts in later years to allow law enforcement to get a single court order to trace suspect telephone or computer communications across multiple networks or phone companies. They argued that the threshold standard for obtaining such orders was too loose.

James X. Dempsey, deputy director of the Center for Democracy and Technology, a nonprofit civil liberties group, said in an interview: "Our attitude was, there is a logic to this request. But given how the communications networks have grown, into e-mail, cellphones, voice mail, pagers, regular phones, other Internet applications, the idea that you can go from service provider to service provider without a judge ever actually asking what leads you to believe there's criminal conduct, we said that was too much."

Lobbying pressure also weakened efforts to place controls on the sensitive software used to keep computer data and telephone communications secret. For years, at least since coded files were found on the laptop computer of Ramzi Ahmed Yousef, the mastermind of the 1993 trade center bombing, Louis J. Freeh, the former director of the F.B.I., and Representative Porter J. Goss of Florida, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, urged tight restrictions on exports of so-called encryption software on the grounds that it could fall into terrorist hands and complicate law enforcement. But they confronted a wall of opposition from the computer industry.

Computer industry lobbyists built Congressional support for lifting such restrictions. The industry, along with privacy advocates, argued that the pace of technology had outstripped government's ability to control it, and that American industry would suffer unfairly without access to foreign markets.

Last year, the Clinton administration issued Commerce Department regulations allowing export of such programs after a one-time review by the Defense Department, except to countries on the State Department's list of terrorist states. Sales to Europe do not require advance review.

Over time Congress doubled spending on counterterrorism programs, to about $12 billion this year. After the embassy bombings in Africa in 1998, Congress year by year gave Mr. Clinton the new money he wanted for embassy security. But it refused his request for a guaranteed future stream of more than $3 billion for security through 2005.

That led Senator Joseph R. Biden, a Delaware Democrat, to warn that Congress risked repeating what it had done in the mid-1980's, after car bombings at embassies in Kuwait and Lebanon, when a government commission called for major new spending on embassy security. At first, Mr. Biden said, Congress responded with significant money, "but as the years passed, security became a second-order priority."

Over the last three years, three more commissions have made recommendations to Congress, including lifting restrictions on the C.I.A.'s use of unsavory infiltrators for counterterrorism, allowing the armed forces to lead the response to any major attack on American soil, and creating a cabinet-level homeland security agency. Mr. Bush recently named Gov. Tom Ridge of Pennsylvania to head such an agency.

Similar calls for such a high-ranking coordinator have been sounded repeatedly, but have died because of longstanding rivalries among competing law enforcement agencies.

"Unfortunately you have these big bureaucracies that have a lot of history, pride and political influence that resist change, particularly change that they perceive as a loss of their power and influence," said Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, the chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence. "Up until Sept. 11, they had been strong enough to prevent efforts at restructuring the federal government."

Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company




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To: Zon
I won't flame you. You are correct. The argument, "Clinton blew it, now give Bush whatever powers he wants" are specious. Clinton did blow it. Now Bush needs to make up the lost ground, but under the limits of the Constitution.
21 posted on 10/01/2001 4:08:15 AM PDT by jammer
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To: from occupied ga
FOGhorns have a certain kind of quaint appeal.
22 posted on 10/01/2001 4:09:21 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: jammer
One of the Federal Government's constitutional duties is to provide for the common defense. The Constitution is a set of principles in tension, not an engineering document. We have just had an event of war on our soil which powerfully changes the distribution of the tension.
23 posted on 10/01/2001 4:13:28 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You are correct in the facts you state. You are incorrect in the inferences you draw from those facts. Your mind won't be changed; my mind won't be changed. Adios.
25 posted on 10/01/2001 4:25:41 AM PDT by jammer
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To: HiTech RedNeck
You insinuate that the direction of an office does not change with the character of its occupants? That can quite kindly be described as extreme fatuosity. 

It may change slightly or in Clinton' case, grossly.

I note that you circumvented The Point so as to make a naive assumption about me. Here is The Point: The tell tale sign as to whether they are the fox  is to ask yourself, "have they honestly come clean and sought and acted in an honest and consistent manner to identify the internal problems and how the facilitated the mess?"  Has the occupant/Ashcroft or any of the above office holders done that? No. The fox is asking/demanding to guard the hen house with more of the same.

The problem must be accurately identified in the fullest sense with the all the facts gathered up to that point in time before an effective solution can be formulated.

Address The Point.

Additional understanding. "A" Point tactic is to address a smaller or secondary issue amongst a bigger issue in attempt to make the smaller "A" Point issue take the place of the larger Primary issue. The Point is the Primary issue and cannot be objectively replace by any "A" point issue. Anyone who uses an "A" point tactic should be given the benefit of the doubt that they made an honest error. If the person from that time onward into the future uses the "A" point tactic without acknowledging it as a secondary/smaller issue is intentionally trying to win a Primary issue argument by illegitimate means

27 posted on 10/01/2001 4:34:43 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
how the facilitated they mess?"
29 posted on 10/01/2001 4:40:50 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
Ugh :(

how they facilitated the mess

30 posted on 10/01/2001 4:42:10 AM PDT by Zon
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To: Zon
The tell tale sign as to whether they are the fox is to ask yourself, "have they honestly come clean and sought and acted in an honest and consistent manner to identify the internal problems and how the facilitated the mess?" Has the occupant/Ashcroft or any of the above office holders done that? No. The fox is asking/demanding to guard the hen house with more of the same

Oh I get it. You want Bush and Ashcroft to dump the dirty laundry of the alphabet soup agencies in public view. In the middle of a war which will be so much easier for the enemies if they get a look at this dirty laundry. Makes perfect sense to me.

31 posted on 10/01/2001 4:49:14 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: jamesbond
OK, so we give government broad powers to wiretap and search without a warrant or whatever they want,

Ashcroft has NOT asked for warrantless searches. Those are proposals from a minority of Congress. Ashcroft has asked to do things such as allowing wire tap warrants to target all phones used by a given person.

If you have beefs about specific proposals that look like they are going to make it into law, fine. Beef away. But this whiney free floating complaint about statism is nauseating.

33 posted on 10/01/2001 4:55:25 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: HiTech RedNeck
The Constitution is a set of principles in tension

Is that the new code phrase now that "Living Document" is getting a bit old?

34 posted on 10/01/2001 4:56:18 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: HiTech RedNeck
What Ashcroft is asking for will affect the rights of citizens without affecting the freedom of foreign nationals to do as they like. Why do we need more laws which attack our Bill of Rights? The BoR doesn't apply to foreign nationals. Everything Ashcroft wants to do can already be done if the targets are illegal infiltrators.

Congress can declare war now, and anyone found spying, or plotting terrorism will not have to have an airtight legal case built against them. They can be tried by a military tribunal and hanged without DoJ lawyers having to break a sweat.

Let these alphabet agencies, which have issued regulations giving illegals the same rights as citizens, simply rescind those regulations. That solves the legal problems Ashcroft claims to face right now.

If Ashcroft will simply admit that his LE agencies have been too busy with internal politicking and with waging war on citizens over unconstitutional gun laws and tax matters, he's halfway to fixing what's wrong with the DoJ.

35 posted on 10/01/2001 4:57:40 AM PDT by Twodees
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To: D Joyce
How about God given duty, to defend the country from foreign enemies. This is no McCarthyistic commie chase. This is real life folks.
36 posted on 10/01/2001 4:58:07 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Twodees
If Ashcroft will simply admit that his LE agencies have been too busy with internal politicking

That's what the Homeland Defense (which AFAIK is going to be a cabinet position, not an alphabet agency) is charged to do. It is charged to cut the gordian knot with respect to one problem -- attacks on domestic soil from foreign enemies.

37 posted on 10/01/2001 5:10:02 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Twodees
The BoR doesn't apply to foreign nationals

The SCOTUS has begged to differ, complicating the problem. Recall the ruling a couple months back that most aliens targeted for deportation, whose home countries refuse to accept back, can NOT be held indefinitely? Our conviction standard of "beyond a reasonable doubt" when combined with this SCOTUS ruling and with the inability to issue a search warrant for all phones a given person uses, is going to bite us in the hind end royally when it comes to terrorism. In what IMHO was a grave oversight, the Constitution didn't bother to distinguish rights by citizenship. (The best answer to that problem would be a Constitutional amendment, but that process is like molasses in January. We are between a rock and a hard place.)

38 posted on 10/01/2001 5:18:53 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: from occupied ga
I would like to say AMEN to your analyzation of what is happening. I am a BUSH supporter, however we must remember that he will not always be President! These powers given to Ashcroft will be in the hands of our enemies one day, then how do we JUSTIFY their existence. I think we need to BE CAREFUL that we do NOT "give-up" certain liberties in the heat of the battle. I want the terrorists destroyed just as much as anyone, but I don't want to wake-up to another Administration like the one we just voted out of office having such broad power!! IMHO We need to STOP, LOOK AND LISTEN for a minute. WHAT brought us to FREEREPUBLIC in the first place?
39 posted on 10/01/2001 5:19:17 AM PDT by MarthaNOStewart
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To: Twodees
Congress can declare war now, and anyone found spying, or plotting terrorism will not have to have an airtight legal case built against them. They can be tried by a military tribunal and hanged without DoJ lawyers having to break a sweat.

Note that the Constitution says nothing about "martial law." This comes about from the Constitutional authority of the Congress to decide the scope of the authority of the courts, and from laws (not constitutional provisions) which do just this in the case of a declaration of war. Maybe it will have to come down to this same authority in the case of terrorism -- declare a special terrorism court system. It would be Constitutional but most tinfoil hatters who are whining now about what Ashcroft wants would positively scream at such a move by Congress.

40 posted on 10/01/2001 5:24:48 AM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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