Posted on 09/30/2001 10:13:10 PM PDT by Benoit Baldwin
I'm all for these provisions, but he forgot the biggie... the daily war of illegals slipping across our sieve borders. Let's put up a wall and post troops there with orders to shoot on sight.
Government regulating has been an abject failure at protecting the citizens. What does government do? The classic liberal statist response to everything that they do that doesn't work. "If it doesn't work, we didn't go far enough." If gun control increses crime, well then we need more of it. If welfare increases poverty, well then we need more of it. If socialized medicine raises medical costs, then we need more of it. If FAA harassment of the flying public doesn't prevent hijacking, then we need more of it. If our intelligence gathering and domestic secret police (FBI) were caught with the pants around their ankles in spite of their total abuse of the Bill of Rights, then give them carte blanche to abuse some more. The list of total and complete failures of government programs to do what their stated goal was is endless. And yet government's response to it's own failure is always the same do more of what caused the problem in the first place and tax us more to pay for it. -- from occupied ga
Actually it's a bad acronym unless you want me to interpret as I see fit because I don't know what the it stands for. I could create a dozen examples that use those three letters in that sequence.
speaks as if "government" was some static entity in which Bush is no different from Clinton etc.
I spoke nothing of Clinton or Bush. I did quote "from occupied ga" which he neither spoke of Bush or Clinton when he wrote it originally. Both "from occupied ga" and myself used it in direct reference to congress and government bureaucrats. BTW, Bush s not a liberal. That you make such comparison is beginning proof that you created a straw-man.
Such dogmatism is ridiculous on its face.
Continuing to construct your straw-man
I can't blame Ashcroft for asking for jet skis to make up the distance lost when Clinton swam the wrong direction.
You want more statist government empowerment at taxpayer expense?
I should have included the short paragraph that "from occupied ga" proceeded the above quote with. It is this: "I'm waiting for the brown shirted government sycophant cheerleaders to come and flame me for having the effrontery to post criticism of the government "at a time when we all need to pull together" or some equally fatuous phrase." -- from occupied ga
Clinton tore the walls of the house down. It's a doggone shame that now Bush administration has not only to build the walls back up but to defend it double time from the barbarians at the gates. But leaving it torn down and undefended is NOT an option.
The fatuosity is coming from FOG.
If it's not a straw-man the alternatives are just as unflattering of you. Myopic or naive because government was doing it long before Clinton became president. You've been discredited because you didn't look back in history further than Clinton, that you think it began with Clinton you profess your myopia.
Wail and moan along with FOG all you want. But we have a real mess and it has to be cleaned up.
So now you claim that your argument has all along been about who makes the best (worst) poster child?
It's the bit lesser of two evil's that you still choose to side with the initiation of force, fraud and coercion against individuals. FOG's quote is not a statement or comparison of Clinton or Bush (and certainly not about a poster child). In its primary statement it is a statement about government.
You know you're talking to a redneck if "You cannot reason a person out of a position he did not reason himself into in the first place." -- Swift
I knew the statists (like HiTechRed) couldn't refrain from flaming me. Rather than show any examples of where government has ever done anything but use any and every excuse to increase it's power over the citizens (for example, withholding tax was a "temporary" measure introduced during WWII. WWII ended 56 years ago, but it seems we still have witholding tax. Telephone taxes were instituted during the Spanish American war as a "temporary" measure - don't see them going away. ) the Reds have to resort to flame. Well I understand their frustration. When you have no logic to support your position, but your ego won't let you admit you're wrong, it sure is easier to insult than to continue rational argument.
Bureaucrats, the cluleless tyrants in Kongress and in the executive branch work in their own self interest. It is to their self interest to increase their powers at the expense of Freedom. If you don't believe Jefferson and Madison, then some more recent work - J. M. Buchanan in 1986 got a nobel prize (Public Choice Economics) for saying something to the effect that governments weren't dispassionate entities dispensing wisdom, but they functioned just like a corporation, growing and expanding to meet the best interests of those in government Communists, Socialists, National Socialists, and other Reds somehow think that this as a good thing. For them it may be, but for those of us who still hold to the Jeffersonian ideal rather than the Hegel/Marx philosophy, it is an evil which during the 20th century along resulted in genocide and the death of 50,000,000 innocents at the hands of their own governments.
Yes, but why do we have to throw the Constitution out with the wash water in order to do so??
Agreed. Expecting or asking some of the facilitators, whether they be in name or office, to clean up the mess is akin to having the fox guard the hen house. The tell tale sign as to whether they are the fox is to ask yourself, "have they honestly come clean and sought and acted in an honest and consistent manner to identify the internal problems and how the facilitated the mess?"
They have not. The fox is asking/demanding to guard the hen house with more of the same.
You insinuate that the direction of an office does not change with the character of its occupants? That can quite kindly be described as extreme fatuosity.
BULL HOCKEY.
I got news for you Red - They're here already
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