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To: Havoc
Sounds to me like you know I'm right. It must be nice to be you. Sitting on your cloud, not having to actually interact with any of the groups you trash.
80 posted on 09/29/2001 11:25:58 AM PDT by Conservative til I die
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To: Conservative til I die
Sounds to me like you know I'm right. It must be nice to be you. Sitting on your cloud, not having to actually interact with any of the groups you trash.

What, can't find that Aramaic text you so want to quote from? Where is it. Produce it that we may see the credibility of your argument. Knowing you are right would be predicated on an establishment of your argument in fact not fantasy. You haven't established anything save that Cephas (Kephas) is a Chaldaic/Aramaic word. The Russians, Turks, Americans, Greeks, Hindus, etc all have versions of that word too. Your problem is that the text doesn't invoke the word. It invokes two Greek words that have different meanings. The one Jesus prefers for building his Church upon is the one ascribed to himself, not to Peter. Oops. The Cephas issue comes in because in order to blur the fact of the preferance given to one Greek word over another one has to remove the difference in the two words. Words mean things. And they are chosen by a writer for a reason. Just because you need this verse to prop up a claim doesn't mean we'll by it when you try to reinvent the verse to make it say what you wish it said.

Now, if I have to chose between your version of the scripture and what the author gave us, I'll stick with the greek text we have. At least it was translated from something other than your imagination.

106 posted on 09/29/2001 12:52:18 PM PDT by Havoc
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To: Conservative til I die, RobbyS, pegleg, Any Catholic
As for Mt. 16:18, Jesus promised that he would build his church on the rock (Peter) and the gates of hell would not prevail (to have power over, overpower, prevail against ). From this the Catholics assert that Jesus promised perfect doctrine to his church. I do not see that promise, especially in this verse. I see the promise that God's people will not be overtaken by the gates of hell. I'm not sure how that translates into perfect doctrine or still more, how it only applies to the RCC.

This was the primary point of my post (and I apparently mucked it up by introducing a side issue (important, but only tangentially related). Could someone point out the error of my thinking in regards to the Matthew 16:18 passage?

127 posted on 09/29/2001 5:00:14 PM PDT by the808bass
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