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For some reason Protestants, and specifically fundamentalists like a Havoc, seem hellbent on reinventing the wheel. Rehashing things that were settled 1500, 1600, 1700, and even 1800 years ago, and were agreed upon until the Reformation. Things like the Papacy, Peter being known as Cephas, Peter in fact being referred to as the Rock on whom the Church was built, the legitimacy of certain books of the Bible, faith, works, and grace, Scripture and Tradition, the sacraments, etc etc.

Of course, as we move further and further past the Reformation, we have truly odd developments, with quasiChristian cults "reinventing the wheel" once again, rehashing actual heresies such as Modalism, Arianism, Monarchianism, Apollinarianism, Nestorianism, and MOnophysitism.

And just as scary, there is also a move in a different direction, with gay priests, female priests, female gay priests, married priests, married female gay priests, ad nauseum, New Age-ism, enivronmentalism, approval of divorce, approval of abortion, and more. Soon we'll be seeing a mixture of married, gay, female transgendered priestesses with L.Ron Hubbardism, if things keep up the way they are going.

I decide to stay put with unchangeable truth. The Catholic Church seems to be the only one teaching this today. Not to say that non-Catholics are bad or anything, with the Copts, Orthodox, Lutherans, Anglicans, and people like Billy Graham out there.

Things like the Papacy, - The Papacy was never settled and agreed upon by the whole Christian world or even his 'primacy' claims.

Peter being known as Cephas - This isn't in dispute and hasn't been. You're exaggerating.

, Peter in fact being referred to as the Rock - This is not even contested.

on whom the Church was built, - This has never been settled and agreed upon by the whole christian world either.

the legitimacy of certain books of the Bible - This has never been settled and agreed upon by the whole christian world either.

, The rest you just throw on for your pitty party as if to claim authority from the piling on.

Do you actually hear yourself or read this garbage as you put it out? It is garbage. If you want to sulk because I won't let you invent evidence or wont let Pegleg get by with quoting hot air and garbage that has nothing to do with his claims - If you want to sulk because you guys make claims and I ask you to prove them (and you can't), that's entirely your problem. Try taking a deep breath and dealing with facts and reality. They'll get you a lot further than what has been presented specifically in the last 3 threads by your side.

"For some reason Protestants, and specifically fundamentalists like a Havoc, seem hellbent on reinventing the wheel. Rehashing things that were settled 1500, 1600, 1700, and even 1800 years ago, and were agreed upon until the Reformation. Things like the Papacy, Peter being known as Cephas, Peter in fact being referred to as the Rock on whom the Church was built, the legitimacy of certain books of the Bible, faith, works, and grace, Scripture and Tradition, the sacraments, etc etc." ============================================================

Agreed upon like this?:
Peter as the rock.
Remember, in this man Peter, the rock. He’s the one, you see, who on being questioned by the Lord about who the disciples said he was, replied, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ On hearing this, Jesus said to him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar Jona, because flesh and blood did not reveal it to you, but my Father who is in heaven. And I tell you’...’You are Peter, Rocky, and on this rock I shall build my Church, and the gates of the underworld will not conquer her. To you shall I give the keys of the kingdom. Whatever you bind on earth shall also be bound in heaven; whatever you loose on earth shall also be loosed in heaven’ (Mt 16:15 - 19).

In Peter, Rocky, we see our attention drawn to the rock.

Now the apostle Paul says about the former people, ‘They drank from the spiritual rock that was following them; but the rock was Christ’ (1 Cor 10:4).

So this disciple is called Rocky from the rock, like Christian from Christ.

"Why have I wanted to make this little introduction? In order to suggest to you that in Peter the Church is to be recognized. Christ, you see, built his Church not on a man but on Peter’s confession.

What is Peter’s confession? ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ There’s the rock for you, there’s the foundation, there’s where the Church has been built, which the gates of the underworld cannot conquer

(John Rotelle, O.S.A., Ed., The Works of Saint Augustine (New Rochelle: New City Press, 1993), Sermons, Volume III/6, Sermon 229P.1, p. 327). ==========================================================

Or agreement on the Apocrypha like this?

St. Jerome distinguished between canonical books and ecclesiastical books. The latter he judged were circulated by the Church as good spiritual reading but were not recognized as authoritative Scripture. The situation remained unclear in the ensuing centuries...For example, John of Damascus, Gregory the Great, Walafrid, Nicolas of Lyra and Tostado continued to doubt the canonicity of the deuterocanonical books. According to Catholic doctrine, the proximate criterion of the biblical canon is the infallible decision of the Church. This decision was not given until rather late in the history of the Church at the Council of Trent. The Council of Trent definitively settled the matter of the Old Testament Canon. That this had not been done previously is apparent from the uncertainty that persisted up to the time of Trent (The New Catholic Encyclopedia, The Canon).

============================================================ You speak drivel. Why don't you just accept that you know nothing and don't really care to. It might confuse you. Better to just go along with the "truth" as taught.