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To: OLD REGGIE
The "infallible Church" has never declared "infallibly" that women cannot be ordained. .....Can happen. May happen.

Has already been decided. See my link on post 105 on thread 150. The will NEVER happen.

Married clergy: Can happen. Will probably happen.

Has already happened with the exception of the Latin right. And there are exceptions to that rule for some Anglican converts. This might happen.

23 posted on 09/28/2001 4:53:36 PM PDT by pegleg
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To: pegleg
The "infallible Church" has never declared "infallibly" that women cannot be ordained. .....Can happen. May happen.

Has already been decided. See my link on post 105 on thread 150. The will NEVER happen.
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Don't be so sure. The RCC is careful to couch the definition on "infallible" in such confusing terms that there doesn't appear to be any approved list of "Infallible Pronouncements" throughout history.

If you are aware of any please direct me to it (them).

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Your reference:
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith Reply to the dubium Concerning the teaching contained in the Apostolic Letter Ordinatio Sacerdotalis.

This letter is meaningless. Cardinal Ratzinger can talk till the cows come home and it doesn't make any difference.
The First Vatican Council (1870) defined Papal Infallibility as follows: "...the Roman Pontiff, when he speaks ex cathedra, that is, when, in discharge of the office of pastor and teacher of all Christians, by virtue of his supreme Apostolic authority, he defines a doctrine regarding faith or morals to be held by the universal Church, is, by the divine assistance promised to him in Blessed Peter, possessed of that infallibility with which the divine Redeemer willed that His Church should be endowed in defining doctrine regarding faith or morals; and that, therefore, such definitions of the Roman pontiff are of themselves, and not from the consent of the Church, irreformable."1 Consequently, the Pope is only infallible when:

He speaks Ex Cathedra, i.e., as supreme teacher of the universal Church. He is not infallible in any other capacity;

When he defines a doctrine absolutely and finally;

When he treats of faith or morals;

When he clearly shows his intention of binding the universal Church.

Infallibility has nothing to do with the personal actions of Popes, their disciplinary decisions or even unofficial comments or personal opinions expressed by them, even on faith and morals. It should also be noted that papal infallibility is a charism that is personal to the Pope only and cannot be communicated, transferred or delegated to any other individual, tribunal or congregation. Even doctrinal decisions issued by Roman congregations and approved by the Pope cannot be considered infallible.

Only decisions issued by the Pope himself in his name and which satisfy all four of the above conditions are infallible.
www.lumenverum.com/apologetics/pope.htm

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Have all the above conditions been met or is there wiggle room for the "lawyers" to use at some time in the future?
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Ordinatio Sacerdotalis Apostolic Letter on Reserving Priestly Ordination to Men Alone May 22, 1994

by His Holiness Pope John Paul II

... Wherefore, in order that all doubt may be removed regarding a matter of great importance, a matter which pertains to the Church's divine constitution itself, in virtue of my ministry of confirming the brethren (cf. Lk 22:32) I declare that the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women and that this judgment is to be definitively held by all the Church's faithful. Invoking an abundance of divine assistance upon you, venerable Brothers, and upon all the faithful, I impart my Apostolic Blessing.

From the Vatican, on 22 May, the Solemnity of Pentecost, in the year 1994, the sixteenth of my Pontificate. Joannes Paulus Pp. II
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Does the Pope really declare this as an "infallible" teaching?

57 posted on 09/29/2001 10:10:19 AM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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