[habs4ever]

9/11 made it a shooting war, not another Cold War.Its way beyond double games, and MADD calculations, embargos and the like.Waiting for economic forces to create the implosion of their societies isn't on.The regimes will have to be toppled, for all our collective security, and sooner the better.

[walden]

I agree, it's a shooting war for now-- first Afghanistan, then maybe Iraq. But, I fully expect this basic conflict to last for 15 or 20 years, if not longer, and it won't always be a shooting war. Shooting now solves the most immediate problems, but it doesn't topple the ideology. I take the long view.