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To: Havoc
merely pointed out that what he writes and what we know from history are not one in the same thing - rather far from it in some cases And what we know from history depends on what documents are available to US. He could be mistaken on some points and we on others. Do we discard Gibbon because he was sometimes in error?
178 posted on 09/28/2001 4:27:55 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS
Do we discard Gibbon because he was sometimes in error?

Do we discard him, that depends on how much error we're talking about. I haven't seen you guys moving to get the errors of Eusebius corrected in all the time since they were originally exposed. And it's been a while. Which would tend to show us the truth really isn't all that important. Only the end accomplished in what is said. By you guys I don't mean here in the threads particularly, I'm pointing to Catholicism. Given that the truth has been pointed out on matters, One would think that a revised and corrected edition of his works might exist. It may significantly damage the work or reduce it to the size of a postage stamp. But, if the errors exist, they should be corrected. Yet, just as with the case when the Decretals were exposed in the 1500s. When the first thing to be corrected was in 1870 and it was not compulsory, the issue was forced at gunpoint.. The Catholic church does not correct itself. Those of us in threads on the internet, in books, in classrooms and before podiums in auditoriums and Churchs have to correct the error that Catholicism refuses to.

Think about that. How long has the actual history of Constantine been known and Eusebius' story debunked. I can go get Eusebius now and read the exact same garbage. When do you suppose we might see such things corrected? Tomorrow, Ten years from now? The next time someone like Italy gets mad and decides to force the issue at gunpoint? Truth is worth something. Falsehoods are trash. Why can't Catholicism on it's own take out the garbage? And why is it that you all expect us to buy the Catholic Clergy line when so much garbage exists and has existed? Where's the necessary level of trustworthiness on which to buy anything? Or are we to look at the clergy and say 'oh they do good deeds, they must be honest.' Where's the honesty? SD is playing word games on this very thread about how responsible Catholicism is for the inquisitions. Responsibility is denied even now. Is this Catholic intellectual honesty? I'm not saying he's a liar. I will say his statements beg reason. Have you got an honest answer to any of this that doesn't explode into a personal attack. Can any of you Catholics address yourselves to these things. They aren't hollow issues, they are genuine problems that your Church created for you all to deal with. Why not turn it around and put it on them to deal with. Hold their feet to the fire until it's corrected and we can have some level of belief in things quoted from Catholic sources without wondering, is this a lie that hasn't been caught? Is this a fraud that wasn't caught? Is this a deception that wasn't caught? Is there an alterior motive behind this teaching that has nothing to do with religion?

I say yes. If you can't trust one thing, you yank it and prove everything that can be proven, yank anything that can't, then reissue what's left in a revised edition! If you can't be that intellectually honest, don't ask anyone to believe anything you quote from those sources.

185 posted on 09/28/2001 6:20:45 PM PDT by Havoc
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