[SoothingDave]

Evidence has been presented. You wish to discount the scholarship and belief of all Christians, Catholic and Protestant, until recent times. You are certainly free to reject evidence which the rest of the world accepts.

I gather you rather fancy swimming upstream, shouting in the wilderness. The more points you can prove yourself right and the rest of the world wrong, the more you know you are truly one of the chosen ones, with the secret "true" knowledge.

SD

[pegleg]

Evidence has been presented.

I think the only evidence Havoc would recognize is a 2x4. Then it would need to be administered several times to take effect.