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To: angelo
I renew my single question. Where is a single, solid uncontravertable piece of evidence that places Peter in Rome? This is a tall claim having nothing to do with our ability to be saved or not. So this is not something required to be taken on faith. The Bible doesn't put Peter in Rome. Catholicism makes the claim. ------------------------------------------------------------

Forgive me if the subject has been previously covered; but, I fail to see whether Peter was ever in Rome is germane to the validity of the Papacy. Peter could been in Rome. He could have been the first (or second) Bishop of Rome. He could have died in Rome. Any, or all, of this could be true and it still doesn't have any bearing on whether Christ actually established a Papacy. Does it?

152 posted on 09/28/2001 1:05:47 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE
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To: OLD REGGIE havoc
havoc, I think OLD REGGIE's #152 is for you.
157 posted on 09/28/2001 1:18:54 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: OLD REGGIE
Any, or all, of this could be true and it still doesn't have any bearing on whether Christ actually established a Papacy. Does it?

Not the point at all Reggie. It is a claim that is thrown around as fact. Seemingly inconsiquential - innocuous even to some. It goes to credibility. The claim is thrown around as fact without proof - to be accepted on its face. It is inconsequential in that it has nothing to do with our ability to be saved. Therefore, as something not mentioned in the Bible and being trumpeted as though fact, I asked for the facts to back it up. Biblical claims are not being made here, a religious claim is. Bible I can accept on faith. When people start pulling stuff out of the ether and using it as fact, there needs be some proof of it. And I have given the example that if one can take this without solid factual evidence, then one can freely believe anything that anyone on this planet says about any religion because the issue is no longer based in authority; but, in who you trust, your neighbor, the guy at the gas station. Maybe you just side to believe everyone and believe in a Roman Pantheon of gods.

The approach taken by a few Catholics here has been precisely and practically to the word "we said it and unless you can disprove it, it's true." Applying the same rule elsewhere, all your judgement crumbles because Mormanism can do the same thing and you are disarmed immediately in dealing with it. If you employ this methodology, then anyone can and everyone is 100% correct in your own judgement by your own rule. This is one of the reasons I've stuck so closely to this issue. It has shown the level of conciet of ideas. Someones crap doesn't stink and they can proclaim anything and it's truth unless someone can disprove it. I must admit, I've never seen that level of conciet before.

183 posted on 09/28/2001 5:23:57 PM PDT by Havoc
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