“Relentlessly and Thoroughly”

National Review Online ^ | September 27, 2001 | Paul Johnson

[Lent]

These canonical commands cannot be explained away or softened by modern theological exegesis, because there is no such science in Islam. Unlike Christianity, which, since the Reformation and Counter Reformation, has continually updated itself and adapted to changed conditions, and unlike Judaism, which has experienced what is called the 18th-century Jewish enlightenment, Islam remains a religion of the Dark Ages. The 7th-century Koran is still taught as the immutable word of God, any teaching of which is literally true. In other words, mainstream Islam is essentially akin to the most extreme form of Biblical fundamentalism.

Excellent observations in this article especially the evolvement of Biblical hermeneutics in Christianity.

[Thinkin' Gal]

It is true it contains many sects and tendencies, quite apart from the broad division between Sunni Moslems, the majority, who are comparatively moderate and include most of the ruling families of the Gulf, and Shia Moslems, far more extreme, who dominate Iran.

Daniel 5:28 PERES; Thy kingdom is divided, and given to the Medes and Persians.

[Mahone]

His History of the American People shows that he can misinterpret some rather important things. But his Modern Times and Birth of the Modern are pretty terrific reads. His History of England is a total bore, but methinks he knows what he is talking about in this article on Islam

[Brian Allen]

Islam means "submission" ..... and one of the functions of Islam ..... is to obtain that submission from all, if necessary by force.

..... Islam is a [Blasphemous] imperialist [Colonialistic] "religion" ..... "nations, however mighty," the Koran insists, must be fought, "until they embrace Islam ....."

These ..... commands cannot be explained away or softened by modern theological exegesis, because there is no such science in Islam ..... Islam remains a [Grotesque blasphemy] of the Dark Ages.

The 7th-century Koran is still taught as the immutable word of ["Islam's 'god,'"] any teaching of which is "literally true" ..... It believes, for instance, in a theocratic state, ruled by religious law, inflicting [As in Saudi Arabia the kind of] grotesquely cruel punishments which were ..... [Outlawed as barbaric] in Western Europe in the early Middle Ages ..... [And] ..... the history of Islam has essentially been a history of conquest and reconquest ..... [And it] ..... took half a millennium of reconquest to expel the Moslems from Western Europe.

The Crusades, far from being an outrageous prototype of Western imperialism, as is taught in most of our schools, were a mere episode in a struggle that has lasted 1,400 years, and were one of the few occasions when Christians took the offensive to regain the blasphemously Occupied Territories of Judeo-Christianity's Holy Land!

Paul Johnson is a TRUTH Teller!

[Gracey]

This cast the Energy plan in a whole new life. Our money in the form of oil imports funds the folks who want to destroy us. Not Good You can thank the Environmental Wackos for this. You're right, they might annihilate us, oily. :-)

[Gracey]

This cast the Energy plan in a whole new life. Our money in the form of oil imports funds the folks who want to destroy us. Not Good You can thank the Environmental Wackos for this. You're right, they might annihilate us, oily. :-)

[Dan De Quille]

Islam is an imperialist religion, more so than Christianity has ever been, and in contrast to Judaism. The Koran, Sura 5, verse 85, describes the inevitable enmity between Moslems and non-Moslems: "Strongest among men in enmity to the Believers wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans." Sura 9, verse 5, adds: "Then fight and slay the pagans wherever you find them. And seize them, beleaguer them and lie in wait for them, in every strategem [of war]." Then nations, however mighty, the Koran insists, must be fought "until they embrace Islam."

These canonical commands cannot be explained away or softened by modern theological exegesis, because there is no such science in Islam.

Thanks for the flag CW. Some hard truths here.

[Dan De Quille]

Have read this article? It's quite good.

[blam]

"He is hinting at a hard truth: we may really have to fight Islam after all, because it is intent of destroying civilization as we understand it."

That won't be concluded until after the 3rd or 4th attack.

[blam]

Thanks. Bump.

[Mark17]

"He is hinting at a hard truth: we may really have to fight Islam after all, because it is intent of destroying civilization as we understand it."

That won't be concluded until after the 3rd or 4th attack.

I have been thinking all along, that eventually, this will turn into a war on Islam. When the Muslims of the world begin seeing the dead bodies of other Muslims, I feel it will turn into that. I don't know how long that will take, but I just have this gut feeling that it's coming.

[blam]

"I don't know how long that will take, but I just have this gut feeling that it's coming."

Ditto.

[Aquinasfan]

Excellent observations in this article especially the evolvement of Biblical hermeneutics in Christianity.

Excellent observation, and depressing as hell. As life here is "returning to normal," I'm beginning to understand the enormity of the situation. A situation that is far greater and graver than 9/11. Perhaps 9/11 was God's wake-up call to the West. If it is, then we should listen hard.

This is going to make the Cold War look like a walk in the park. To make matters worse, the West is in a state of moral torpor right now, the leading example being the slaughter of countless millions of unborn children of the last several decades. We should be praying for mercy right now.

[Aurelius]

BUMP

[Campion]

Meanwhile, the religion of "submission" continues to advance, as a rule by force, in Africa in part of Nigeria and Sudan, and in Asia, notably in Indonesia, where non-Moslems are given the choice of conversion or death. And in all countries where Islamic law is applied, converts, whether compulsory or not, who revert to their earlier faith, are punished by death.

Now do people start to understand why the Spanish Inquisition took place? Shall we continue to blame Spanish Catholics who merely wanted to play by the same rules as the Moslems they were trying to eject from their country?

[Lent]

Yes. The difficulty I have is that the West has no concept of historical continuity. Therefore it is no surprise that historians have hijacked the truth about Islam, its nature, purpose, etc. and now we find oursleves confronting the animus and militancy always intrinsic to Islam. And so we condemn the initiation of the crusades (which did, in the end go haywire - for example the attack on Constantinople), not realizing that the first Crusade occurred after 400 years of Islamic conquering, repression, dhimmiitude, forced Arabization and colonization, slavery, etc. of the native (mostly Christian) populations. The coup de grace was the rampaging Seljuk Islamics who were conquering and heading towards Constantinople.

So, the West in many respects, with the moral difficulties you also noted, is primed for fracture.

[Joe Brower]

Gentlemen, FYI.

[harpseal]

Thanks for the heads up. The understanding of what we are probably facing has not yet fully dawned on the American People or our leaders. I have no way of knowing how many corpses of Americans it will take but I fear we shall see very many. The Muslims will see every Muslim death as an attrocity and characterize every American death as something we should be patient about. Oh some of the governments will make noises about supporting us but they will have their bets hedged with the those who are engaging in Jihad against us. Indonesia, Iran, Iraq and Pakistan are all shaky regimes where the entire infrastructure may well be permeated with those who support Jihad. One should not ever forget the origin of the word assassin. Leaders would be killed by those who had infiltrated to the most trusted of positions.

Had we struck with nuclear weapons at some of the targets in Afganistan we would be vilified on the streets of many Islamic nations but it will not be significantly greater vilification than we will go through anyway with out bread and bullets campaign. I am not stating we should not try this approach as the implications of a war against all Islam by the West are really quite horrific. We can if we win expect close to 500 million casualties world wide. If we lose that number increases exponentially. The fact also exists that at this point no national leader can say these things. Will they ever be said? I predict that once the American death toll tops ten million from terrorist stikes they will be said openly.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown