I Need Help in Countering This Anti-1980's College Propaganda

Signs of Life in The USA | 9/27/01 | Laurence Shames

[Imperial Warrior]

Well, I wouldn't go to college anyhow now if I had the opportunity to do it all over again. Unless you are seeking a professional degree, college is worthless. Go to a technical school or institute instead. However, if you are determined to go through with it, drop the course if you can, and retake it some other time. I have done this many times for similar reasons.

[ConservativeNJdad]

Excellent recommendation on Gilder. I can remember feeling my mind open up while reading Gilder's "Recapturing the Spirit of Enterprise" shortly after my 4 year indoctrination camp (college).

To paraphrase: Greed is taking something for doing nothing. The highly-paid entrepreneur is not nearly so greedy as he who accepts welfare.

[Alberta's Child]

I was very fortunate in one respect. Because I needed the money more than I needed the education, I finished my undergraduate work on a part-time basis while working nearly full-time hours on the side. As a result, I was a couple of years older than most people in my classes. In addition, I was fortunate enough to have read George Gilder while I was still an undergraduate student.

I had a similar problem with a leftist-type of professor in an English composition class, but she left me alone and even respected me because I was such an exceptional writer. She used to hand graded papers back to the class, but keep mine so that she could read it out loud "just to show you what a well-written piece sounds like." LOL!

I had another philosophy professor tell me that I didn't even have to put my name on my papers because she could recognize my writing style from a mile away. She, however, was not a lefty. She was a nasty, crusty Jean Kirkpatrick-type who was very much a right-winger and delivered memorable lines in class on a regular basis. Such as the following:

"Today we are going to begin our study of the age of modern philosophy. Now, for those of you who don't know any better, the first modern philosopher was NOT Bob Dylan!"

I'm laughing my @ss off even as I write this, and I'm starting to attract some attention here.

[Alberta's Child]

BTW, where in New Jersey are you?

[goldieagua]

the sausage king of chicago!

[virgil]

Greed? Most people in my town did not even have a job in the early 80s when Carter was in. We had 12% unemployment in the county. I had to join the Navy it was so bad. And Carter's Navy? Low moral, planes not getting preventive maintenance, Iranian hostages, crashing helicopters, soviets invade Afghanistan. You could get a car loan at 13% interest. That went down with Reagan. At the end of the 80s I had a job in a company that paid 10x what I got in the Navy or that dishwasher job I had afterwards, and I had insurance, benefits, vacation and a 401K.

[virgil]

What happened to my font?

[humblegunner]

Ozzy does indeed rule, then , now, & tomorrow.
I had a blast in the 80's, I've seen photos..

[gopno1]

Actually, no, I get real good grades in the class. The teacher (she is an instructor, NOT a professor, she does not have a Ph.D) actually allows for open debate without taking it out on grades. I get along with her just fine, but her views are just asinine, and we are forced to incorporate it into our coursework. The rest of the class loves my challenging of all of her crap. She allows free and open debate, that's why I asked for some facts, so I can go in tomorrow and kick some butt.

[Non-Sequitur]

Well, don't kick too hard. It is, after all, only English Comp.

[ohioman]

Hang in their buddy. I went through the same thing as a journalism undergrad at Ohio Uniiversity. I was disliked but I still had a 3.8 gpa I could ram up their opinionated arse!

[ohioman]

You gave the boy the worst advice I have heard. Don't let anybody stifle your opinion of what is right. I did challenged my leftist teachers and still had a 3.8 GPA. So it can be done my friend.

[foolish-one]

I can't tell if that was intended as clarification and education or a slap, but thanks in either case. It still sounds to me that treason is defined (by both Webster and legal opinion)as active support of actual enemies in the process of (currently) fighting against us, not incidental support of possible or perceived enemies. In any case, what was done under Reagan may or may not have been illegal but it was not, technically or legally, treason.

My point was (and I hold this against conservatives as well as liberals) if you have a valid argument, don't blow your credibility and forfeit the debate by exagerating cases or siting extreme examples that are intended to insite, not to persuade or support.

[gopno1]

A.) With the attitude of "you are destined to lose" it's fairly obvious that you will.

B.) If you were in my class with the clueless 18 year olds you would see that being in the real world and participating in politics would give me the upper hand in deflecting the instructor's liberal crap. My purpose is to bring to light the other side of the issue and let the people decide. I just don't like to see kids being spoon-fed liberal bilge.

C.) My post asked for some pro-1980's, pro-Reagan facts, not for someone to pick apart the post and try to find some hidden meaning in it. If you are not going to be of any assistance to my question, I'd appreciate it if you just not reply at all. The instructor is about 60 if is that important to you.

[gopno1]

Look, I don't care what class it is, it's the principle of the whole thing. The bottom line is I hate seeing these 18 year olds being force fed this crap and want to bring to light the other side of the argument. If we don't start getting to them early, like in the English comp's of the world, they'll just take the liberal bilge and apply it. If you are just trying to tell me to give up, don't waste your time.

[Right Wing Professor]

If the poster's at a University with student evaluations, giving the professor a minimum grade, along with some well chosen written comments about how he despises faculty who politicize a subject, will get the message across.

Another alternative is to write to one's state senator. In Nebraska, a small state, that almost always gets their attention. A call from a state senator and the dept. chair will be down in the faculty member's office faster than greased lightning.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

Your class is probably over, and I'm late to the thread. But it wasn't clear to me what you wanted. It's an English Composition class. You read and discuss essays and then go off and write something. You disagree with the claims being made in the assigned essays. Your instructor allows for an open debate and doesn't punish students with bad grades if they criticize the essays being discussed. Sounds like a good Instructor and a great class. If you don't have a problem with the instructor or with the class and all you want is information, maybe if you just ask for the information you'd get replies that speak to your concerns and don't go off track. YMMV.

[ConsistentLibertarian]

Trouble is, liberals can play that game too. Giving the Nebraska state legislature micro-control over what goes in a University classroom puts politics ahead of academics. That might look attractive if the ruling party de jour is Republican, or if you think a Professor/Insturctor has beaten the legislature to the punch. But it's not a good precedent. It just lends support to PC-types. Heck next thing you know, they'll legislate that no one can "teach evolution" unless they give evidence both for and against the theory.