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To: TheDon
The question is not why Muslims are mad at us, but rather why the governments of these nations have portrayed us to their subjects in such a way as to make them mad at us.

Governments are overthrown all the time. Governments do not make People. People make governments. They adopt them and throw them away at will. Most governments are less than 60 years old.

Arafat, Fayd, and even the Eqyptian leadership would like to restrain the Muslim hate. King Fayd of Saudi Arabia is afraid the militant Muslims will over throw his government. Most Saudi Arabian citizens support the terrorists. They are bright educated and rich. They also hate us and would like to destory our culture. Palistinians watch CNN more than you do. They hate us. We do not have a leader problem. If we killed all the leaders they would just get new leaders. We have a 200 million follower problem.

When Russia no longer wanted a Czar they overthrew him. When Russia no longer wanted the Soviet Union, they overthrew that government too. In 1933 when Germans no longer wanted a Republic they overthrew it and brought in Hitler and his Natzis. We overthew British rule when it was the most powerful nation on earth. Nations keep leaders becuase they want them. Not the other way arould.

Nations always get the governments they want. You must get it through your head that some nations do not want freedom. Many people do not want freedom. The educated Germans of the 1930's wanted Hitler more than they wanted freedom.

We don't have a leader problem.. We have a follower problem.

If all we do is kill the leaders the followers will just get new leaders.

12 posted on 09/26/2001 3:32:27 PM PDT by Common Tator
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To: Common Tator
Governments are overthrown all the time. Governments do not make People. People make governments. They adopt them and throw them away at will. Most governments are less than 60 years old.

Yes, governments, whose power base becomes insufficient to maintain it, are overthrown. And people do not overthrow them at will, remember the Eastern Block countries during the Cold War.

In the Middle East, the regimes are all totalitarian governments of one form or another. The governing regimes have the military and police apparatus to keep the people under control. Anyone who wants to try and overthrow the government get their head chopped off, or a bullet to the back of the head, or a tank rolled over them like the Chinese. He11, the South didn't exactly succeed in overthrowing the North in our country.

Arafat, Fayd, and even the Eqyptian leadership would like to restrain the Muslim hate. King Fayd of Saudi Arabia is afraid the militant Muslims will over throw his government.

After fomenting anti-Western/American hatred among their subjects for so long, they have found it is getting out of their control in many instances. Also, their grip on power is slipping. Those they rely on to sustain their power are getting sucked into the propaganda they fostered for so long, thereby diminishing the power of their governments.

Palistinians watch CNN more than you do.

I doubt you have any knowledge of their CNN viewship numbers. They get what the PA transmits to them over the state controlled TV.

They hate us. We do not have a leader problem. If we killed all the leaders they would just get new leaders. We have a 200 million follower problem.

They hate us in the same way the Japanese did in WWII. They have been given plenty of propaganda, remember, these are not free and open societies. We must take care of the leaders and the followers, the leaders must stop the propaganda, and the followers must be exposed to the truth.

Nations always get the governments they want.

Utter nonsense. Tell that to the Eastern block countries during the Cold War. He11, tell that to the countries making up the former Soviet Union.

You must get it through your head that some nations do not want freedom. Many people do not want freedom.

More nonsense. They may support a new government because they hate the old and think the new government will give them a better life, but in this they may be quite disappointed. Those who support repressive regimes are either part of the power structure, hope to be, or are to afraid to do otherwise.

The educated Germans of the 1930's wanted Hitler more than they wanted freedom.

More nonsense. They weren't thinking they were trading freedom for Hitler.

We don't have a leader problem.. We have a follower problem. If all we do is kill the leaders the followers will just get new leaders.

Actually, we have a leader and a follower problem. The leaders have been propagandizing the followers with lies, this must stop. The terrorist threat is a direct result of this propaganda. It will take time for the followers to get a hold of the truth and begin to look on the West and the US correctly. It can be done, look at the Japanese. They were propagandized just as badly, yet they overcame it.

It is important to get the correct framework to understand the full dimensions of this conflict, see the link below. Also, I have bookmarked some related articles on my personal page.

Operation Infinite Justice: The Big Picture

33 posted on 09/26/2001 6:05:46 PM PDT by TheDon
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To: Common Tator

The question is not why Muslims are mad at us, but rather why the governments of these nations have portrayed us to their subjects in such a way as to make them mad at us.

Governments are overthrown all the time. Governments do not make People. People make governments. They adopt them and throw them away at will. Most governments are less than 60 years old.

Arafat, Fayd, and even the Eqyptian leadership would like to restrain the Muslim hate. King Fayd of Saudi Arabia is afraid the militant Muslims will over throw his government. Most Saudi Arabian citizens support the terrorists. They are bright educated and rich. They also hate us and would like to destory our culture. Palistinians watch CNN more than you do. They hate us. We do not have a leader problem. If we killed all the leaders they would just get new leaders. We have a 200 million follower problem.

When Russia no longer wanted a Czar they overthrew him. When Russia no longer wanted the Soviet Union, they overthrew that government too. In 1933 when Germans no longer wanted a Republic they overthrew it and brought in Hitler and his Natzis. We overthew British rule when it was the most powerful nation on earth. Nations keep leaders becuase they want them. Not the other way arould.

Nations always get the governments they want. You must get it through your head that some nations do not want freedom. Many people do not want freedom. The educated Germans of the 1930's wanted Hitler more than they wanted freedom.

We don't have a leader problem.. We have a follower problem.

If all we do is kill the leaders the followers will just get new leaders.

 

Most intelligent and well written post I have seen around here in about a year.

Only thing I would change is that people do not necessarily get the government they want, but they get the one they deserve.

 

41 posted on 09/26/2001 9:41:41 PM PDT by Col Sanders
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