[Torie]

Andrew Sullivan at his site (Andrewsullivan.com) recommended reading this article. So I did, and thought it worthwhile enough to bring to FR.

[onedoug]

After a thousand years of having languished under the Romans, The Holy Roman, the Ottoman and finally, British empires, someone (the Jews) finally built a dynamic society in "Palestine".

One might expect modern palestinians to be most teed-off at their leaders, not one of whom it seems, ever had a similar vision for the region, and who instead now rail at the world in perpetual victimhood about their "stolen" birthright, and who would as obviously destroy it, supposedly for its acheivement, without ever a mere thought as to how to ever build anything.

Witness all that Bin Laden might have done with all his riches for "his people", but to lead them into darkness.

[TheDon]

Everyone is trying to explain Muslim rage at the West, and the US. Few, if any, recognize that these Muslims live in totalitarian nations with strictly controlled education, news, and political speech. The question is not why Muslims are mad at us, but rather why the governments of these nations have portrayed us to their subjects in such a way as to make them mad at us.

[A Navy Vet]

Summary: They prefer to live in the dark ages, and hate and envy those who don't. Not good.

[Common Tator]

The separation of Church and state is only important when the church/state uses religion to justify war and offers religious rewards for dying in war. Religions who wage war nearly always offer an instant trip to heaven for those that die for the religious state. Religions that offer little on earth, must offer a lot in heaven. Otherwise the followers fall away. Few benefits now much later, is a hard sell if the people are allowed to think. There is a reason Muslims must pray 5 times a day.

Secondly those that have a better life must be described as servants of Satan, or the believers will leave the religion for the better life. War fever is requred to keep the faithful, faithful.

Wars are always about power and expansion of power. Religions whose people are not doing well, must make those that are doing well out to be evil. Otherwise their God is less powerful than the better offs God. They must attempt to bring the successful powers down or the bleak life afforded the followers of their God will be seen as a failure of their God. If they fail to destroy the more sucessful people, the religion eventually loses all or most all of its power. If they succeed their power will be much greater, for it will be used as proof their God gave them victory. Their followers will be reassured.

When people are willing to die for a cause, you must destroy the cause, or be distroyed by the cause.

Religious wars end when a Goliath slays a David with a single blow.It creates a shortage of Davids.

[Travis McGee]

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[stubernx98]

I wonder who is going to prevail? It sounds like there is no hope for a rational solution. It's us or them.

[Travis McGee]

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[Travis McGee]

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[untenured]

To this end we must strive to achieve a better appreciation of other religious and political cultures, through the study of their history, their literature, and their achievements.

Somehow, I knew it would come down to this.

[mil-vet]

Do I give a liberal damn? Nope! I don't care WHAT excuse anyone comes up with, terrorism is like smallpox and must be eradicated in the same way. If one's god was worth a plugged nickel, said god would give one guidance regarding how to handle one's hate in a non-destructive manner, NOT tell one to go out and kill anyone with whom one doesn't agree. DUH!

[cicero's_son]

Outstanding article. Thank you for posting it.

Have you read Huntington's "Clash of Civilizations?" I'm starting it tonight, having just ordered it from BarnesandNoble.com.

[tacticalogic]

For true believers to rule misbelievers is proper and natural, since this provides for the maintenance of the holy law, and gives the misbelievers both the opportunity and the incentive to embrace the true faith. But for misbelievers to rule over true believers is blasphemous and unnatural, since it leads to the corruption of religion and morality in society, and to the flouting or even the abrogation of God's law.

There you have it. If you wish to have a faith other than Islam, then you must subjugate yourself to the Islamics, convert all the Islamics to some other faith, kill them, or die. Their rules, not ours.

[tessalu]

I think the article is NOT worthwhile for the facts are not straight. In Islam evil can be counted as good. When one reads the bible, one knows all ready that Satan has often appeared to men as an "angel of light". And when the "angel" came to muhammed, muhammed believed the angel was from God, even though he had no proof. There is absolutley no proof that the angel was from God. The allah of the Quran does not have the same attributes of Jehovah or Yaweh of the bible. The allah of the Quran is not loving and caring, he is most cruel and calls his followers "slaves" and he demands obedience under penalty of death, and he dares anyone to speak against him. It is okay with allah to force his commands on people and control them. The God of the bible calls his followers his children, and he wants only the willing. They are not the same! Islam claims to believe in Moses, Jesus and others, but Muhammed did not even follow the 10 commandments. So this tells me that allah of the Quran and the God of the bible, who wrote his law on tablets of stone with his own hand, are just not the same. All good things come from God, and the evil comes from Satan, the destroyer.

[FITZ]

It's an interesting article but I kind of think they are just like the Nazis, their leaders have convinced them that Jews are the cause of all their problems and that Jews need to die. An in our case they've decided there are too many Jews in the US and they think Jews control the US and that the US is too interested in saving the Jews from the fate they want to give them in the Middle East. Bin Laden is really nothing but a reincarnated Hitler motivated by hate and genocide.

[vrwc54]

Bump

[Teacher317]

"The Roots of Muslim Rage"? Meaningless. Emotions do not follow religious boudaries. Go group-think elsewhere.

To all you Jihadists and their apologists: Feel whatever you want, you murderous slime. I could care less. Feelings are fleeting, transitory, and temporary. Your kind acted on their feelings... Your brethren made them permanent, burned into concrete and memories with jet fuel and blood... You helped murder 6000 of my countrymen. You don't the courtesy of explaining your rationale. You simply, quickly, and angrily get hit back now.

You want rage? We'll show you rage.

We're coming.

[mel]

Bump

[SunkenCiv]

Note: this topic is from September 26, 2001. Earlier that month the world learned the roots of US rage. Thanks Torie.